Are we winning War?

[Into the Night]

And is still doing it.
At almost 2 Billion a day and who knows how many more days this will take .

First 6 days of Iran war cost $11.3 billion, Pentagon tells Congress

Officials briefed the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on defense. One senator said he believes the cost is higher since the figure didn't include aspects like munitions replacement.

www.nbcnews.com

I guess he has to make sure he is KING of something and right now he IS king of running up the National debt.

Presidents don't run up debt, Tball.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, one is the results of numerous polls, the other, your opinion, not big on polls, but unless you got more to offer, I’ll take them over your opinion

You don't get to speak for every poll. Omniscience fallacy. Void reference fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Tobytone]

Congress can cut the funding after 60 days,

What's up Nordy? Not feeling well? I know how much you morons love your feelings, I hope I didn't ruin that for you. Sometimes it's easier to feel better if you remain ignorant, right?

 

[archives]

What war, anchovies?

5000 != 65, anchovies.

But you do. You just can't say you do directly.

What war? What 'serious effects on the economy, anchovies?

You haven't debunked anything, anchovies. Assumption of victory fallacy.

Trump’s Iraq War, you admitting now Trump is lying

What the hell is “5000!=65?” They got a new math over there in Trumpkinville

“you did,” but “you just can’t say you do,” which means I never did, thanks

Trump’s Iraq War, Market is up down up down and oil is unsettled for starters

Wrong again

 

[Into the Night]

Trump’s Iraq War,

What Iraq war, anchovies?

you admitting now Trump is lying

Lying about what, anchovies?

What the hell is “5000!=65?” They got a new math over there in Trumpkinville

YOU tried to equate 5000 with 65, anchovies. That is YOUR problem.

“you did,” but “you just can’t say you do,” which means I never did, thanks

Yes I can. You have consistently been excited at the prospect of any bad economic propaganda so you can blame it on Trump. You did the same thing with the Covid Hoax.

Trump’s Iraq War,

What Iraq war, anchovies??

Market is up down up down and oil is unsettled for starters

Market is down, anchovies. Source: NYMEX

Wrong again

Source: NYMEX. You can't make it go away.

 

[Nordberg]

It looks like Trump is trying to provoke an attack on our land. He is all set up to declare emergency powers. The talk about Iran's drones may be able to reach the West Coast is a license for a fake operation. Any idiot with a drone can trigger Trump's emergency takeover and stop the midterms.

 

[Tobytone]

Trump’s Iraq War, you admitting now Trump is lying

What the hell is “5000!=65?” They got a new math over there in Trumpkinville

“you did,” but “you just can’t say you do,” which means I never did, thanks

Trump’s Iraq War, Market is up down up down and oil is unsettled for starters

Wrong again

It baffles my mind how you morons can't understand why we're doing this. It's pretty simple. The president said something like, when our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

How is that unclear, and how can anyone disagree to the point they are already complaining less than two weeks in? What is wrong with you people??

 

[archives]

It baffles my mind how you morons can't understand why we're doing this. It's pretty simple. The president said something like, when our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

How is that unclear, and how can anyone disagree to the point they are already complaining less than two weeks in? What is wrong with you people??

Why, Trump can not even explain why we are doing this, he went from ending Iran’s nuclear threat, which he said he already did last year, to regime change, to rescuing the protesting Iranians, to ending Iran’s regional threats, to whatever he said today, to half dozen other “explanations.”

And people are complaining on Trump’s ineptitude, not what one wants from leadership in a time of war

 

[Grokmaster]

“Trump keeps telling America he’s winning in Iran. He’s less clear in explaining how the war ends”​

Trump keeps telling America he's winning in Iran. He's less clear in explaining how the war ends

When it comes to the war with Iran, President Donald Trump has cycled from calls for “unconditional surrender” to sounding amenable to an end state in which Iran trades one hard-line ayatollah for another.

apnews.com

How do we know when the war is successful? What’s the exit strategy?

We are pounding Iran daily, but he leadership is still intact, there is no citizenry revolt, no record of eliminating its nuclear potential, Iran is still fighting, exporting oil, so when do we know we have achieved our goals? What benchmarks are there indicating success?

As much as we have caused Iran pain, they have also created problems by disrupting the world’s economy, which has always been their war objective

So are we winning?

 

[Tobytone]

Why, Trump can not even explain why we are doing this, he went from ending Iran’s nuclear threat, which he said he already did last year, to regime change, to rescuing the protesting Iranians, to ending Iran’s regional threats, to whatever he said today, to half dozen other “explanations.”

And people are complaining on Trump’s ineptitude, not what one wants from leadership in a time of w

Focus on responding to my comment. Forget about everything else and tell me if you agree with the president remarks? The one in my reply. We can move on from there. I'm getting sick of you lefty's that can't seem to focus, even a little.

 

[Grokmaster]

Were they actually close to getting a nuke? Didn’t last year’s bunker busting bombings end that threat as we were told?

And the only way to insure stopping them 100% will be to send in ground forces, you on board for a military invasion, another prolonged Middle East conflict with unpredictable long term consequences?

 

[zymurgy]

This is a silly question

the "war" ends when America stops dropping bombs

Iran will continue trying to terrorize the world as they have been doing - if you are asking when that stops.. it doesn't

 

[archives]

Focus on responding to my comment. Forget about everything else and tell me if you agree with the president remarks? The one in my reply. We can move on from there. I'm getting sick of you lefty's that can't seem to focus, even a little.

If you mean by remarks his statements on why went to war, I don’t know, no one does, Trump has offered varying “explanations” by the day

You tell us, why did we go to war? What are the benchmarks showing we are accomplishing that goal? What his the exit strategy?

 

[Tobytone]

If you mean by remarks his statements on why went to war, I don’t know, no one does, Trump has offered varying “explanations” by the day

You tell us, why did we go to war? What are the benchmarks showing we are accomplishing that goal? What his the exit strategy?

Answer the first question first. How is that so difficult. I posted a rational for attacking. Forget everything else for this discussion and tell me if you agree or not.

When our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

Forget nukes, forget missiles, forget, attack drones, just try you hardest to focus on the above rationale and tell me if you think it's justification for action even if it takes two months of bombing. I promise I'll answer your questions.

 

[Noking]

It baffles my mind how you morons can't understand why we're doing this. It's pretty simple. The president said something like, when our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

How is that unclear, and how can anyone disagree to the point they are already complaining less than two weeks in? What is wrong with you people??

Crazy Trump the knight in shining armor.

 

[archives]

Answer the first question first. How is that so difficult. I posted a rational for attacking. Forget everything else for this discussion and tell me if you agree or not.

When our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

Forget nukes, forget missiles, forget, attack drones, just try you hardest to focus on the above rationale and tell me if you think it's justification for action even if it takes two months of bombing. I promise I'll answer your questions.

“When our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.”

The first part sure, everyone does, straight out of Clausewitz, the second part, which you are assuming automatically relates to the first, no, it wasn’t in our national interests to start a war over some supposed massacre that hasn’t happened

 

[Tobytone]

“When our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.”

The first part sure, everyone does, straight out of Clausewitz, the second part, which you are assuming automatically relates to the first, no, it wasn’t in our national interests to start a war over some supposed massacre that hasn’t happened

Wow, you believe the reports of over 30,000 protesters being killed is a lie? Do you believe they kill protesters at all? I guess we have to start there. I'll admit, I didn't see that coming.

 

[BartenderElite]

Answer the first question first. How is that so difficult. I posted a rational for attacking. Forget everything else for this discussion and tell me if you agree or not.

When our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. It is not in America's national interest to allow a massacre in Iran that would reverberate across the region and stain the conscience of the world.

Forget nukes, forget missiles, forget, attack drones, just try you hardest to focus on the above rationale and tell me if you think it's justification for action even if it takes two months of bombing. I promise I'll answer your questions.

Are you suggesting we SHOULD be the world's policeman?

 

[Tobytone]

Are you suggesting we SHOULD be the world's policeman?

So, I can assume you don't think we should, right?

 

[BartenderElite]

So, I can assume you don't think we should, right?

Right. I agree w/ what MAGA was preaching just 3 weeks ago - until many became neocons overnight.

No - we should not be the world's policeman. That's not what our military is for.