Serious question

  • North Africa & Nile Valley: Great Pyramid of Giza (Egypt), a 4,500-year-old engineering marvel, and the over 200 Pyramids of Meroë (Sudan) belonging to the Kingdom of Kush.
  • Sub-Saharan West Africa: The Great Mosque of Djenné (Mali), the world's largest mud-brick building, and elite palaces with sophisticated, early-industrial era bathhouses found in GAO, Mali.
  • Eastern & Central Africa: Rock-Hewn Churches of Lalibela (Ethiopia), 11 churches carved from stone in the 12th century, and the elite residences of the Aksumite Empire.
  • Southern Africa: The Ruins of Great Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe), featuring massive, mortarless stone walls (11th-15th centuries) that housed thousands.


The Great Pyramid of Giza was conceived, designed, and built by Egyptians during the 4th Dynasty (c. 2500 BC) for Pharaoh Khufu. Constructed over 20 years by thousands of skilled workers, it utilized massive limestone blocks and sophisticated logistics, reflecting their deep religious beliefs, engineering skills, and complex, organized society.
No mosque is "ancient" in archeological terms.
Many of the buildings in Mali in pre-colonial times were influenced by the Islamic world; again, these are not "ancient".

Likewise, the "rock-hewn churches of Lalibela", which date from the 12th century C.E. and Great Zimbabwe, which is 11th-15th century.
 
So, what is the "considerable number"?
Population figures of Egypt are not available, dude.
The first Indigenous monarchy documented in Nubia was the independent monarchy of Kerma, also called Kush, in Upper Nubia. It flourished during the second millennium B.C.E., with Kushite monarchs practicing religious rites in mud-brick buildings such as the colossal deffufa presiding over the city of Kerma.
Nubia was part of Egypt.
Hardly the architectural wonders some might extol, IMO.
Oh? YOU JUST POINTED SOME OF THE OUT! DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!
BTW, Nubia was not part of Egypt when it was a separate, autonomously-governed nation, and the surviving structures are largely copies of Egyptian architecture.
Nubia was part of Egypt. It was not a separate nation.

During the New Kingdom (ca. 1539–1075 B.C.E.), Egypt occupied much of Nubia.
Of course. Nubia was part of Egypt. Egypt occupies Egypt.
The pharaohs appointed viceroys who ruled over Nubian lands, which they called Kush, from about 1550 to 1069 B.C.E.
Nope. Two Pharaohs...an upper one and a lower one. Eventually merged into one, with governors administering matters locally (what you call viceroys).

Go review your history of Egypt, Africa, and your geography.
 
You are attaching a trate to generalize a race, that is racist.
Is the generalization wrong? Do I need to show you the stats on young black males not in workforce?

You yourself always say “there are jobs they don’t want to do” which is why you say you support importing cheap low level labor.

Checkmate
 
Is the generalization wrong? Do I need to show you the stats on young black males not in workforce?

You yourself always say “there are jobs they don’t want to do” which is why you say you support importing cheap low level labor.

Checkmate
The generalization is wrong. There are many reasons people do not join the workforce other than lack of work ethic.
 
Population figures of Egypt are not available, dude.

So "many" could be any number.

Nubia was part of Egypt.

At times.

Oh? YOU JUST POINTED SOME OF THE OUT! DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

Try it with someone else, will you? Fallacy fallacy fallacy times infinity! :rofl2:

Nubia was part of Egypt. It was not a separate nation.

Maybe you should look it up.

Of course. Nubia was part of Egypt. Egypt occupies Egypt.

See above.

Nope. Two Pharaohs...an upper one and a lower one. Eventually merged into one, with governors administering matters locally (what you call viceroys).

I didn't call them viceroys; that's what the Egyptologists I consulted called them.
 
The Great Pyramid of Giza was conceived, designed, and built by Egyptians during the 4th Dynasty (c. 2500 BC) for Pharaoh Khufu. Constructed over 20 years by thousands of skilled workers, it utilized massive limestone blocks and sophisticated logistics, reflecting their deep religious beliefs, engineering skills, and complex, organized society.
So?
No mosque is "ancient" in archeological terms.
Redefinition fallacy. You keep trying to redefine what you mean by 'ancient'.
Many of the buildings in Mali in pre-colonial times were influenced by the Islamic world; again, these are not "ancient".
Buzzword fallacy. You obviously can't come up with a consistent meaning of 'ancient'.
Likewise, the "rock-hewn churches of Lalibela", which date from the 12th century C.E. and Great Zimbabwe, which is 11th-15th century.
So?
 
Is the generalization wrong?
No. The generalization is fine. No composition error occurred here.
Do I need to show you the stats on young black males not in workforce?
Feel free. I already know of it. This is largely inner city problem is caused by Democrats. They are the modern 'plantation', designed to keep black people illiterate, dependent on Democrat 'welfare', and riddled with gangs, which the Democrats support.
You yourself always say “there are jobs they don’t want to do” which is why you say you support importing cheap low level labor.

Checkmate
Ooooo. Nice shot!
 
That seems to be the premise here.

It doesn't seem so to me. I freely acknowledge that people of any race may have societally-positive and negative traits.

Are you familiar with pattern recognition as a human mental process?

Generalizing about an entire race - but we can't call it racist, or we somehow prove the point.

Sociologists do it as a matter of course. There are different types of generalization. For example, a cultural generalization is a statement about a group of people. For instance, saying that Americans tend to be more individualistic compared to many other cultural groups is an accurate generalization about that group.

A cultural generalization may become a stereotype if it is definitively applied to individual members of the group. however, it would be stereotyping a person to assume that he or she must be individualistic by virtue of being American.

A physical generalization would be the observation that men are generally larger than women. However, outliers exist,as you must have observed, but seizing upon an outlier (a non-typical example) to "disprove" the norm is illogical.

This board is really somethin' at times.

Do you dislike it?
 
If that is true then where are the ancient structures in Africa?
So you are asking where are the ancient structures in Africa, in the "Current Events Forum"? Do you know what current events are?

The Nazis always wondered where the ancient German monuments were. They decided there must be some long lost homeland of the Aryans, in Tibet or somewhere, where their ancient moments were.

But back to your question. Obviously, you do not mean Northern Africa, where most of the truly ancient structures are. There was a huge amount of mixing with the Nubians, so it would be a fair argument that all the greatest ancient structures in Egypt had a sub Saharan influence. That goes both directions, in that there are the Nubian Pyramids which while not as big as the Egyptian Pyramids, were much steeper. There are also the Ethiopian Obelisks. If you want to go forward a bit, there is the Djinguereber Mosque in Mali.
 
I see nothing of greatness. Keep proving my point. Maybe the pyramids but they were built by slaves so........
It is doubtful that the pyramids were built by slaves, because the Egyptians and Nubians would never have allowed dirty outsiders to touch their most sacred sites. It was built by peasants in the off season from their farming. They did this as a devotion to their religion.
 
No, they weren't. Egyptian texts of the time call Blacks "Nubians" and make that distinction.
Egyptians made cultural distinctions, but not racial ones. Someone with black skin who had grandparents born and raised in Egypt, and who conformed to the Egyptian culture would have been considered Egyptian. Egyptians fully accepted they were a mixed lot between the Middle East and Sub-Sahara Africa. They did not generally accept Europeans, until very late in their history, but other than that they accepted all.
 
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