SAVE America passes test vote 51-48!

[Althea]

Nine votes short “tsunami,” and seeing there is 53 Republicans, this post is close to your prediction on the 2022 election

He's drunk posting again

 

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No one does. As far as registering to vote goes, you don't do that 24/7. You do it once in years usually.


Who can vote in elections has changed over time. In America, when first formed it was usually just landowners that could vote. Then free men, etc. So?


So? Daley's 'Chicago Machine' ran into the 1970's and was a poster child for vote fraud and corruption. The point I'm making, and it is fully valid, is that voter fraud and corruption are possible on a wide scale today and we shouldn't be doing anything that could further it. Lack of voter ID is clearly a case in point.

How would you detect voter fraud in a system that is set up specifically to make such detection difficult or impossible? For example...

If you have a system where voter registration doesn't require ID, then voting doesn't require ID, and on top of that voting is done by mail-in ballots that are not supervised in any particular manner. Toss in that political operatives can go around and collect said ballots to turn them in. Now, toss in that voting goes on for weeks and weeks and that votes are counted in the same way, even after the specified date for the election to end comes around.

So why carry a copy in your wallet, or for that matter go out of your way to even possess one? Which is why vast majority of people don’t have one

But upon three separate instances the Constitution directly says who can vote, not to mention eliminating poll taxes, safe to assume voting is implied

No one ever said fraud doesn’t occur in elections, what we are talking here, what the Safe Act addresses, is specifically Voter ID fraud, which as I’ve said and can easily document for you, is minimal at best and certainly not worth the opportunity costs inherent in the safe act

Registering to vote does require ID, each State has their own requirements, which given Voter ID is nearly nonexistent, currently system works just fine, and you recommend the States now spend the time and money to address a problem that doesn’t exist

 

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So why carry a copy in your wallet, or for that matter go out of your way to even possess one?

Possessing one makes sense. It's an important document. Like having a will, keeping a copy of titles to property and cars, or a veteran having a copy of their DD 214. Those things should be safeguarded. It isn't difficult to do.

Which is why vast majority of people don’t have one

Because, like you, the vast majority of people are stupid.

But upon three separate instances the Constitution directly says who can vote, not to mention eliminating poll taxes, safe to assume voting is implied

Those are specific categories later added because rules by various states excluded those categories.

No one ever said fraud doesn’t occur in elections,

Yes, there are those even on this board who have, for all intents said that. They've claimed that fraud is so rare that it is nonexistent and can be ignored. That's splitting hairs on the subject.

what we are talking here, what the Safe Act addresses, is specifically Voter ID fraud,

No, it covers specifically needing to prove you are a citizen to register to vote, a one-time thing (or occasional if circumstances change), and showing a photo ID when voting to prove you are who you say you are.

California, for example, has actually codified into law that voter ID is illegal, not that you can go without it, but if a county or city in the state tries to mandate it they could face criminal charges.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/29/california-outlaws-local-voter-id-rules-00181608

which as I’ve said and can easily document for you, is minimal at best and certainly not worth the opportunity costs inherent in the safe act

And there it is! You too are making the claim that fraud is so unimportant as to be nonexistent. In effect, you ARE saying fraud doesn't occur. Quibbling over what you claim is an irrelevant and minor thing amounts to just that.

Registering to vote does require ID,

No, it doesn't. California, for example, doesn't require physical ID to register to vote. In fact, 16- and 17-year-olds can "pre-register" to vote in that state.

Voter Registration | California Secretary of State to Register to Vote

Information on how to register to vote in California

www.sos.ca.gov

It is hardly the only blue state that has such laws either.

each State has their own requirements, which given Voter ID is nearly nonexistent,

Only 14 states, all blue, don't require voter ID currently. The rest do in one form or another.

currently system works just fine,

I don't think so and my opinion on that is just as valid as yours.

and you recommend the States now spend the time and money to address a problem that doesn’t exist

This is just an irrelevant appeal to poverty.

 

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Possessing one makes sense. It's an important document. Like having a will, keeping a copy of titles to property and cars, or a veteran having a copy of their DD 214. Those things should be safeguarded. It isn't difficult to do.


Because, like you, the vast majority of people are stupid.

Those are specific categories later added because rules by various states excluded those categories.


Yes, there are those even on this board who have, for all intents said that. They've claimed that fraud is so rare that it is nonexistent and can be ignored. That's splitting hairs on the subject.


No, it covers specifically needing to prove you are a citizen to register to vote, a one-time thing (or occasional if circumstances change), and showing a photo ID when voting to prove you are who you say you are.

California, for example, has actually codified into law that voter ID is illegal, not that you can go without it, but if a county or city in the state tries to mandate it they could face criminal charges.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/29/california-outlaws-local-voter-id-rules-00181608

And there it is! You too are making the claim that fraud is so unimportant as to be nonexistent. In effect, you ARE saying fraud doesn't occur. Quibbling over what you claim is an irrelevant and minor thing amounts to just that.


No, it doesn't. California, for example, doesn't require physical ID to register to vote. In fact, 16- and 17-year-olds can "pre-register" to vote in that state.

Voter Registration | California Secretary of State to Register to Vote

Information on how to register to vote in California

www.sos.ca.gov

It is hardly the only blue state that has such laws either.


Only 14 states, all blue, don't require voter ID currently. The rest do in one form or another.


I don't think so and my opinion on that is just as valid as yours.

This is just an irrelevant appeal to poverty.

That’s not true, I haven’t had a birth certificate in decades, and won’t get one for the rest of my life

Last time, VOTER ID FRAUD, not election fraud, is nearly nonexistent, and, the Safe Act would do nothing to stop the type fraud you highlighted with Tammney and Chicago

And why demand an official Voter ID when Voter ID fraud isn’t a problem?

Then show us where voter ID fraud has been exposed meriting implementation of the Safe Act

No, reality

Admit it, just like redistributing, and employing the FBI, DHS, plus DNI, the Safe Act is just another Trump attempt to control elections.