Has Iran's IRGC given up yet?

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My highly intelligent prediction is that despite all the destruction Trump's team has done to the IRGC, that what's left to the sorry-assed IRGC leadership (if anything) will fail to abide by Trump's strong demands, and thus, we'll all be witnessing the shortest and most impressive win ever in any war.

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Military leadership generally doesnt care about the civilian population. Japan was nuked twice and had a potential Soviet invasion coming and military hardliners still wanted to continue.
 
Military leadership generally doesnt care about the civilian population. Japan was nuked twice and had a potential Soviet invasion coming and military hardliners still wanted to continue.
Generally speaking military leadership doesn't care about the civilian population, but in this case Trump has given his military leaders the orders to only strike Iran's military stations/weapons that completely avoids the killing of civilians.
 
Military leadership generally doesnt care about the civilian population. Japan was nuked twice and had a potential Soviet invasion coming and military hardliners still wanted to continue.
Yes, it the same kind of thing with the regime in Iran. After the revolution in 1879 that ousted the Shah, the Ayatollah Khomeini became literally the Supreme Leader of Iran. Khomeini was a hard-line Shia Islamist who followed what is called the "Twelver" Islamic religious doctrine. To cut a long story short, the Ayatollah was obsessed with Jihad, He believe that the Islamic revolution in Iran must be exported. That mean using any means to annihilate Israel. He wanted a genocide of the Israeli /Jewish state. To die in combat fighting Israel or America was a good thing because it made you a martyr, and you went straight up to Allah's "Paradise" Even if you were an Iranian soldier facing certain defeat by a superior military force, the was no way you would stop[ fighting even if you faced certain death. Because the Ideology that you had been brainwashed with, Ruhollah Khomeini's ultra radical, hardline form of political Islam, which is called,"Khomeinism," is pretty much a "death cult." To willingly die, if necessary, to fearlessly sacrifice yourself fighting against impossible odds is a good and righteous thing as far as the IRGC Command are concerned. Oy doesn't matter how much punishment the enemy inflict upon you - how many of your ranks are wiped out - capitulation is not an option, ceasefires are not an option, Western-style diplomacy is not a workable option for resolving a conflict or brokering a peace treaty with Iran. If you do manage to get them to a negotiating table, they simply can't be trusted to participate in good faith. Obama's Iram nuclear arms deal - that was signed off in 2015 - is a perfect example. Iram had absolutely no intention whatsoever of abiding by the conditions set down in that deal. They agreed to them because they knew they could breach them with impunity, and that's exactly what they did.


For the current Iranian regime, to continue fighting against America/Israel.to the bitter, bloody end, and no matter what the cost in lives and misery is not an option Any sacrifice that is made in opposing the enemies of Allah and Islam is justified. In the West human life is valued as sacred. Under "Khomeinism" it is not; the regime indoctrinates successive generations into a type of death cult. where human life is not regarded as valuable in its own right. What regarded as supremely valuable is death as a reverent worshipper of Islam. This means you get to enter Jannah, and being in Allah's Paradise is joyful beyond words. It's also why the death of non-believers, or those Allah has declared are the enemies of Islam like the Jews of Israel and Americans (Christians) are regarded by Regime as less than worthless. When you consider the way HAMAS slaughtered 1200 Israelis in massacre of October 7th, or 911. the countless, suicide bombings, the targeting of civilians with rockets, mortars. artillery and missiles, the barbaric means of torture and the ruthless murder of their "enemies" by immolation, beheading, the stoning to death of their own women for alleged adultery, and so on. It's clear that these people have no respect for human dignity or for the sanctity of human life.



With the Japs, they fought fanatically and suicidally in battle (e.g. "Bonsai "charges and Kamikaze pilots). This was a result their military command brainwashing them with a twisted version of the legendary, Japanese, medieval "Bushido" warrior's code, esp. its pledge of "Death before Dishonor."


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Yes, it the same kind of thing with the regime in Iran. After the revolution in 1879 that ousted the Shah, the Ayatollah Khomeini became literally the Supreme Leader of Iran. Khomeini was a hard-line Shia Islamist who followed what is called the "Twelver" Islamic religious doctrine. To cut a long story short, the Ayatollah was obsessed with Jihad, He believe that the Islamic revolution in Iran must be exported. That mean using any means to annihilate Israel. He wanted a genocide of the Israeli /Jewish state. To die in combat fighting Israel or America was a good thing because it made you a martyr, and you went straight up to Allah's "Paradise" Even if you were an Iranian soldier facing certain defeat by a superior military force, the was no way you would stop[ fighting even if you faced certain death. Because the Ideology that you had been brainwashed with, Ruhollah Khomeini's ultra radical, hardline form of political Islam, which is called,"Khomeinism," is pretty much a "death cult." To willingly die, if necessary, to fearlessly sacrifice yourself fighting against impossible odds is a good and righteous thing as far as the IRGC Command are concerned. Oy doesn't matter how much punishment the enemy inflict upon you - how many of your ranks are wiped out - capitulation is not an option, ceasefires are not an option, Western-style diplomacy is not a workable option for resolving a conflict or brokering a peace treaty with Iran. If you do manage to get them to a negotiating table, they simply can't be trusted to participate in good faith. Obama's Iram nuclear arms deal - that was signed off in 2015 - is a perfect example. Iram had absolutely no intention whatsoever of abiding by the conditions set down in that deal. They agreed to them because they knew they could breach them with impunity, and that's exactly what they did.


For the current Iranian regime, to continue fighting against America/Israel.to the bitter, bloody end, and no matter what the cost in lives and misery is not an option Any sacrifice that is made in opposing the enemies of Allah and Islam is justified. In the West human life is valued as sacred. Under "Khomeinism" it is not; the regime indoctrinates successive generations into a type of death cult. where human life is not regarded as valuable in its own right. What regarded as supremely valuable is death as a reverent worshipper of Islam. This means you get to enter Jannah, and being in Allah's Paradise is joyful beyond words. It's also why the death of non-believers, or those Allah has declared are the enemies of Islam like the Jews of Israel and Americans (Christians) are regarded by Regime as less than worthless. When you consider the way HAMAS slaughtered 1200 Israelis in massacre of October 7th, or 911. the countless, suicide bombings, the targeting of civilians with rockets, mortars. artillery and missiles, the barbaric means of torture and the ruthless murder of their "enemies" by immolation, beheading, the stoning to death of their own women for alleged adultery, and so on. It's clear that these people have no respect for human dignity or for the sanctity of human life.



With the Japs, they fought fanatically and suicidally in battle (e.g. "Bonsai "charges and Kamikaze pilots). This was a result their military command brainwashing them with a twisted version of the legendary, Japanese, medieval "Bushido" warrior's code, esp. its pledge of "Death before Dishonor."


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That could be summed up by saying they have a Kamikaze mentality.
Many of them were in it for the perks, though, which they no longer will have.
 
we'll all be witnessing the shortest and most impressive win ever in any war.
When I think of short, impressive wins, I think of Grenada. Iran is a thousand times bigger, with a battle hardened military, and interesting technologies(certainly not better than the USA, but technologies we are not fully prepared for).

I do not see how such a big country(both in population, and land) could be a quick win.
 
When I think of short, impressive wins, I think of Grenada. Iran is a thousand times bigger, with a battle hardened military, and interesting technologies(certainly not better than the USA, but technologies we are not fully prepared for).

I do not see how such a big country(both in population, and land) could be a quick win.
It's happening. People are armed now, somewhat. IRGC and basij are going to have a rough next couple weeks.
They can't hide in the mosques anymore. Those are getting razed.
Well, really blown the fuck up, but whatever. There ain't no Track hoes and bulldozers, but there are heavy duty bombs.
 
Generally speaking military leadership doesn't care about the civilian population, but in this case Trump has given his military leaders the orders to only strike Iran's military stations/weapons that completely avoids the killing of civilians.
Hater got that completely reversed. The Pentagon used to put quite a bit of effort into minimizing civilian casualties.

Hegseth has stated that there would be no "stupid rules of engagement", and "no quarters." The budget of civilian harm reduction is now basically zero. Technically, the number of staff has been cut by 90%, but it has actually cut all the people who were actually productive, leaving only a few clerical staff members with no work.

The vast majority of the people killed by the USA have been civilians. Maybe we could not expect better. Soldiers can actually hide, where as civilians are stuck having to go to work to survive. The Pentagon has instructed all Iranians to stay in their homes for the entire war... It has already been a month, and will almost certainly be months more. They need to live their lives.

 
My highly intelligent prediction is that despite all the destruction Trump's team has done to the IRGC, that what's left to the sorry-assed IRGC leadership (if anything) will fail to abide by Trump's strong demands, and thus, we'll all be witnessing the shortest and most impressive win ever in any war.
Wait, I thought it wasn't a war?

I also thought it was already over, according to tRump?

And 4,000 of what are essentially light infantry is all that's on the way there, against about a million iranian soldiers?
 
Hater got that completely reversed. The Pentagon used to put quite a bit of effort into minimizing civilian casualties.

Hegseth has stated that there would be no "stupid rules of engagement", and "no quarters." The budget of civilian harm reduction is now basically zero. Technically, the number of staff has been cut by 90%, but it has actually cut all the people who were actually productive, leaving only a few clerical staff members with no work.

The vast majority of the people killed by the USA have been civilians. Maybe we could not expect better. Soldiers can actually hide, where as civilians are stuck having to go to work to survive. The Pentagon has instructed all Iranians to stay in their homes for the entire war... It has already been a month, and will almost certainly be months more. They need to live their lives.

I just want to say that the rules of war were set up after world war 2. They assumed , wrongly, that the nations army would do everything in their power to protect the people because thats how both the allies and axis behaved. They fell short of course but both sides invested resources in AA defense and armies to protect their cities.

Not once did they envision a country that would expend 0 resources and 0 effort to defend civilians and just rely on "international law" to protect them.

If Iran cannot be bothered to protect its civilians why should we?
 
Wait, I thought it wasn't a war?

I also thought it was already over, according to tRump?

And 4,000 of what are essentially light infantry is all that's on the way there, against about a million iranian soldiers?
A million, huh? Says 610,000 here.
Iran army will probably side with the people. They didn't sign up for BS.
My clue to that is the people are not targeting them. The people are not targeting Iranian soldiers, they're targeting Basij and IRGC.
 
I just want to say that the rules of war were set up after world war 2.
America's first formalization of the rules of war was the Lieber Code in 1863. Before that there were rules of war that the USA acknowledged, but it was informal.

They assumed , wrongly, that the nations army would do everything in their power to protect the people because thats how both the allies and axis behaved.
Hitler ordered the subways of Berlin to be flooded to kill his own people.

Not once did they envision a country that would expend 0 resources and 0 effort to defend civilians and just rely on "international law" to protect them.
From my understanding, Iran has an amazing number of bomb shelters built for their civilians. They could not count on international law to defend them from Saddam's Iraq, or from Al Qaeda terrorists.

A million, huh? Says 610,000 here.
The generally cited numbers are 610k active military, 350k reserves, 40k paramilitary, or exactly ONE MILLION. If the USA invaded Iran, it can reasonably be assumed that the reserves would be called up.

There are a huge number of other Iranians with some military training(anywhere from extensive combat experience to less than an hour) who would have access to weapons. These are not considered paramilitary, but could be considered para-paramilitary. That might add a few million to the number.

 
America's first formalization of the rules of war was the Lieber Code in 1863. Before that there were rules of war that the USA acknowledged, but it was informal.


Hitler ordered the subways of Berlin to be flooded to kill his own people.


From my understanding, Iran has an amazing number of bomb shelters built for their civilians. They could not count on international law to defend them from Saddam's Iraq, or from Al Qaeda terrorists.


The generally cited numbers are 610k active military, 350k reserves, 40k paramilitary, or exactly ONE MILLION. If the USA invaded Iran, it can reasonably be assumed that the reserves would be called up.

There are a huge number of other Iranians with some military training(anywhere from extensive combat experience to less than an hour) who would have access to weapons. These are not considered paramilitary, but could be considered para-paramilitary. That might add a few million to the number.

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Wait, I thought it wasn't a war?

I also thought it was already over, according to tRump?

And 4,000 of what are essentially light infantry is all that's on the way there, against about a million iranian soldiers?
Just look at you, cheering for the enemies of American soldiers.
Wtf dude? :oops:
Well, anyway, I'll tell you this, and it's the truth:
No other nation on this planet knows how to war and win like The United States of America.
2nd place isn't even 50% of that, and it's all downhill from there. Chump.
Iran has pissed off all their neighbors and they wanna fuck 'em up too.
Idk about NATO, but we got most of the Middle East and the Jews and some eastern European countries, Pakistan, even..
The global situation for America is good right now.
What also needs to be good is the situation for Iranian citizens and neighbors of Iranians.
Well, a change needs to be made before that can be the case.
 
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Yeah. Those elementary school girls were clearly military leaders.
That was an Iranian missile, dumbass. And did you ever see any children's bodies?
You didn't, huh?
Know why? Because they were not there. Parents kept them home because of turmoil.
Yeah, the western media lied their asses off about that. Sad.
It was just a few military dudes there, not even a bunch, a few. Shame.
Just look at the nice, clean backpacks and school supplies that were staged. :rolleyes2:
Something needs to be done about the western media lying so much.
 
Hater got that completely reversed. The Pentagon used to put quite a bit of effort into minimizing civilian casualties.

Hegseth has stated that there would be no "stupid rules of engagement", and "no quarters." The budget of civilian harm reduction is now basically zero. Technically, the number of staff has been cut by 90%, but it has actually cut all the people who were actually productive, leaving only a few clerical staff members with no work.

The vast majority of the people killed by the USA have been civilians. Maybe we could not expect better. Soldiers can actually hide, where as civilians are stuck having to go to work to survive. The Pentagon has instructed all Iranians to stay in their homes for the entire war... It has already been a month, and will almost certainly be months more. They need to live their lives.

You say the vast amount of people killed by the USA have been civilians. Wow, not one Iranian civilian has been reported killed by our American military. But there's been quite a few American civilians that have been killed by joe biden's illegal criminals. Suck on that one.
 
That was an Iranian missile, dumbass.
Even the US Government admits that was an American missile. For a while there, trump was claiming that it was an Iranian Tomahawk Missile, but the Iranians do not have Tomahawk Missiles. Then he claimed it was an Israeli Tomahawk Missile. That is more possible, because we would have sold Tomahawks to Israel... But again they did not buy Tomahawk Missiles. Israel almost always hits the targets they pick, and does not ask the USA to hit targets for them, so trump cannot even blame the targeting on them. Finally, trump claimed it was one of the other allies bombing Iran, except there is no one else.

A failure to revalidate targets may have been the problem with the strike on the girls’ school in Minab, a site which an official told the New York Times used to be part of the nearby naval base. As humans get swamped by ever more computer-generated targets, enabling far more strikes per day, minimising the risks of such catastrophes will be an increasing challenge.

In America perhaps the biggest challenge comes from the top. Mr Hegseth has denigrated the laws of war, fired military lawyers and loosened rules of engagement. He has also slashed the number of Pentagon personnel who work on the protection of civilians by 90%

Parents kept them home because of turmoil.
The first strike of Operation Epstein Coverup was on 9:45am February 28th(local time). That is after the children would have been at school. At that point, moving children around would have been more dangerous than just leaving them in a school. That would especially been true about a school, which parents would hope would not be targeted. The Tomahawk Missile hit the school 10:23am February 28th, so within an hour of the war beginning. There would have been no way for the parents to have realized before the war started that Americans would be striking their daughters' school that day.

Yeah, the western media lied their asses off about that. Sad.
There are going to be mistakes. The sad part here is you cannot admit it. The Pentagon made a mistake.

It was just a few military dudes there, not even a bunch, a few. Shame.
Why would "military dudes" be at a girls school?

If the Iranians wanted to fire their own missile at a girls school, why would they put "military dudes" in the school? Why not fill the school with girls, and fire a missile at it? That would give them the girls' bodies, and not mean they would have to clear away a bunch of "military dudes" bodies. Clearing body from ruble takes time they did not have.

Matt's lies are conflicting with one another.
 
Wow, not one Iranian civilian has been reported killed by our American military.
Within the first hour of the war, an American Tomahawk Missile was reported to have struck a girls school in Minab. At least 175 civilians were reported killed.

Almost 1,800 people have been killed in Iran so far, most of them civilians, according to HRANA, a human-rights monitor in Washington.

Admittedly that is from an article that is almost three weeks old, but those civilians reported dead are not coming back to life.
 
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