I told you sycophants the constitution was clear!

[Nomad]

Yes, you do. You are all for illegal immigration and stopping their deportation. You revile ICE and want the agency abolished. That makes you for open borders and, in turn, turning a blind eye to all the problems and crime illegals produce.

I'm all for making it easier for them to come here legally and work then go home and come back the next year.

Period.

Guest worker program with vetting.

It could be easily done but the filthy scum on the R side of the aisle stand in the way because they prefer to have the issue to use as a convenient way of riling up their idiot redneck voter base than to actually solve the problem.

That having been said, I'm not going to condemn any decent, law abiding human beings for doing whatever it takes to seek better lives for their children and families. Even if it requires them to sidestep a bureaucratic paperwork requirement.

When I put myself in their shoes, I cannot do anything else.

That of course, is something that your ilk cannot understand because it requires having empathy for others as well as a sense of decency, properly aligned priorities and a conscience.

Four things you and your kind have none of.

(Now you'll post up that tired canard about how illegals cause less crime, I'll wager)

Too funny.

You're so afraid of hearing the truth that you're actually projecting its utterance onto others now.

It's good to know you recognize it even if you're too gutless to proclaim it yourself.

 

[Nomad]

I side with Trump on most things. Including his fake convictions.

The Democrats are always wrong and dishonest so it's not hard.

If your head was screwed on straight and on your shoulders, where it's supposed to be instead of up your ass, your perception wouldn't be so fucked up and bass-ackwards.

 

[Phantasmal]

Trump's lawyer Sauer has a horrible voice. I hate listening to him talk. He also has no reasonable arguments. He is foundering and grasping for hour after hour.

It’s irritating and embarrassing. He’s the best lawyer DonOld’s got, that’s scary, but good for our Republic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I'm all for making it easier for them to come here legally and work then go home and come back the next year.

Period.

Guest worker program with vetting.

It could be easily done but the filthy scum on the R side of the aisle stand in the way because they prefer to have the issue to use as a convenient way of riling up their idiot redneck voter base than to actually solve the problem.

That having been said, I'm not going to condemn any decent, law abiding human beings for doing whatever it takes to seek better lives for their children and families. Even if it requires them to sidestep a bureaucratic paperwork requirement.

When I put myself in their shoes, I cannot do anything else.

That of course, is something that your ilk cannot understand because it requires having empathy for others as well as a sense of decency, properly aligned priorities and a conscience.

Four things you and your kind have none of.

Guest worker programs have been tried in the past and proven failures like the Bracero program. Amnesty doesn't work because once you give it to those here, more are simply encouraged to come afterwards in hopes of getting it too. Until there are mechanisms in place that ensure the vast majority of persons illegally in the country are caught, convicted, and deported talking about some means of letting persons in for temporary work and such should take a backseat to enforcement.

Too funny.

You're so afraid of hearing the truth that you're actually projecting its utterance onto others now.

It's good to know you recognize it even if you're too gutless to proclaim it yourself.

The sentence above that's highlighted, says it all about you. Your position is based on an irrelevant Appeal to pity. Decent, properly aligned priorities with conscience would be that we don't tolerate criminals and will punish those that commit crimes. Entering the US illegally is a crime. We should arrest, try and convict, and then deport permanently anyone who enters the country illegally. You want to come, do it legally and follow our laws while here. That's what decent people want.

 

[Nomad]

Guest worker programs have been tried in the past and proven failures like the Bracero program. Amnesty doesn't work because once you give it to those here, more are simply encouraged to come afterwards in hopes of getting it too. Until there are mechanisms in place that ensure the vast majority of persons illegally in the country are caught, convicted, and deported talking about some means of letting persons in for temporary work and such should take a backseat to enforcement.

The Bracero program was implemented nearly a century ago, so it's an invalid comparison with today and nobody is talking about "amnesty".

Things were very different in those days and the ability to keep a handle on things in the 1950's, was nowhere near what it is in 2026.

The criminal pursuit of people who are only guilty of a misdemeanor rather than a felony, and the vast majority of which have committed no serious crimes, is a waste of resources done only to make xenophobic MAGA voters happy.

When they apply for guest worker status, if they were here undocumented, levy a fine against them which can be deducted from their pay.

No "amnesty" will have occurred and we can all move on.

Of course no program is perfect or without snags, but what we're doing now is as bad as it can get.

ICE is massively expensive, inefficient and it's snaring people who shouldn't be ensnared.

The sentence above that's highlighted, says it all about you. Your position is based on an irrelevant Appeal to pity.

Wrong.

Common decency does not = pity.

Decent, properly aligned priorities with conscience would be that we don't tolerate criminals and will punish those that commit crimes.

Most of them aren't criminals and don't commit crimes.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine.

Entering the US illegally is a crime.

Of the most minor order and certainly not worth the massive amount of resources the CONVICTED FELON in the WH is throwing at it.

Your side has zero credibility on the issue of holding criminals accountable.

When you begin to support punishing trump for his FELONIES then you can talk about punishing other people for misdemeanors.

We should arrest, try and convict, and then deport permanently anyone who attempts to use the power of their office to overturn a lawful election.

Never heard you utter a peep about that, though.

You want to come, do it legally and follow our laws while here.

Thank you for proving me right.

The party of fake Christian values never fails to show it's true, un-Christ-like colors.

It's the height of irony that the people on my side who profess no allegiance to Christianity understand the ideas Jesus was trying to spread, while those on your side who falsely claim to align with Him, are full of everything that He reviled.

Yes, you people are just that backwards.

That's what decent people want.

Like all MAGAs, you have a very shallow, narrow and overly simplistic idea of what constitutes decency.

 

[FastLane]

You have a poor reading of Elk.

How so?

 

[Jarod]

How so?

You clearly misunderstand Elk. You see, being born in an Indian reservation actually meant he was not under the jurisdiction of the United States, he was not subject to US law.

However, a person here illegally IS subject to US jurisdiction and law.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

How so?

There's no cogent argument as to why it's bad for America, so what's the point?

People who are born here as citizens to parents who aren't, are probably on average, more likely to develop a greater appreciation for their citizenship, partly because their parents remember the hardships they suffered back home and keep them reminded of how much better life is here than where they came from.

So you're actually equating birthright citizenship to wife beating and slavery?

That is one of the most stunningly stupid comments I've ever heard.

Like I said above... Americans who are born of parents whose citizenship goes back multiple generations, tend to take this country for granted and treat the great things this country has to offer like they're no big deal or like they're owed to them. People who are born to immigrants and whose citizenship does not go back beyond their own, are probably more likely to appreciate it, to work harder to keep it and to be more respectful of our laws.

Obviously that's not 100% true, but what is?

Just because someone was born into a family that traces its citizenship roots back a couple of hundred years, does not automatically mean they're good citizens.

I'm wondering how many J6 insurrectionist rioters who tried to destroy our government were from families with long-standing citizenship.

I wonder how many MAGA assholes who put that POS trump into the WH and cheer for him every time he drags this country a little farther into his sewer come from families with long-standing citizenship.

If you want to change anything citizenship related with the intent of benefitting the country, let's talk about ending the birthright citizenship of MAGA scum.

it;s allowing Chinese to come here on a terrorist visa, pop out a baby here, then bring it back to china and train it to be a terrorist against America with American citizenship.

that's bad.

do you understand this point, you retarded cretin

 

[Ichabod Stain]

I'm all for making it easier for them to come here legally and work then go home and come back the next year.

Period.

Guest worker program with vetting.

It could be easily done but the filthy scum on the R side of the aisle stand in the way because they prefer to have the issue to use as a convenient way of riling up their idiot redneck voter base than to actually solve the problem.

That having been said, I'm not going to condemn any decent, law abiding human beings for doing whatever it takes to seek better lives for their children and families. Even if it requires them to sidestep a bureaucratic paperwork requirement.

When I put myself in their shoes, I cannot do anything else.

That of course, is something that your ilk cannot understand because it requires having empathy for others as well as a sense of decency, properly aligned priorities and a conscience.

Four things you and your kind have none of.


Too funny.

You're so afraid of hearing the truth that you're actually projecting its utterance onto others now.

It's good to know you recognize it even if you're too gutless to proclaim it yourself.

nope.

no itinerant workers.

American jobs for Americans.

you hate the american people and eat shit.

 

[FastLane]

You clearly misunderstand Elk. You see, being born in an Indian reservation actually meant he was not under the jurisdiction of the United States, he was not subject to US law.

However, a person here illegally IS subject to US jurisdiction and law.

And yet federal marshals can go on reservations and enforce federal laws. Indians are subject to federal laws but not state laws.

A person here illegally cannot vote and cannot be drafted.

Native Americans don't even own the reservation lands. The Federal government owns the land . While tribes possess beneficial interest and the federal government acts as trustee, meaning land-use decisions often require approval from the Secretary of the Interior.

 

[Jarod]

And yet federal marshals can go on reservations and enforce federal laws. Indians are subject to federal laws but not state laws.

A person here illegally cannot vote and cannot be drafted.

In the modern structure, this is true. Things are different today than when Elk was decided.

You do not have to be allowed to vote or be drafted to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Even a few of the Conservatives will go against The PP on this one.

 

[Phantasmal]

It isn't. It is relevant to what happens with the ruling. You asked for opinions... "why shouldn't?"...

I prefer to wait until there is a ruling. Then I know the next steps. Either you celebrate if you don't want it to change, or you know what your next steps must be. Asking inane "why shouldn't" questions is the same as just wishing for stuff. It is literally "what if"...

I think the vote will be 7-2

 

[Jarod]

And yet federal marshals can go on reservations and enforce federal laws. Indians are subject to federal laws but not state laws.

A person here illegally cannot vote and cannot be drafted.

Additionally, Wong Kim Ark was decided AFTER Elk, and is controlling. In Wong Kim Ark, not relating to an indian reservation, but relating to a person born in the United States to foreign parents IS a Citizen.

The Supreme Court specifically made the distinction. If the Supreme Court were to find for the PP administration they would have to over rule the long standing precedent of Wong Kim Ark, which they are very unlikely to do.

These things are VERY clear to anyone but a sycophant.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

The Bracero program was implemented nearly a century ago, so it's an invalid comparison with today and nobody is talking about "amnesty".

nobody talks about amnesty, they just do it.

Things were very different in those days and the ability to keep a handle on things in the 1950's, was nowhere near what it is in 2026.

The criminal pursuit of people who are only guilty of a misdemeanor rather than a felony, and the vast majority of which have committed no serious crimes, is a waste of resources done only to make xenophobic MAGA voters happy.

all citizens benefit from abandoning shit Globalist policy.

When they apply for guest worker status, if they were here undocumented, levy a fine against them which can be deducted from their pay.

no. turn around. go back. fuck them.

No "amnesty" will have occurred and we can all move on.

you will never have a chance to do amnesty.

Of course no program is perfect or without snags, but what we're doing now is as bad as it can get.

ICE is massively expensive, inefficient and it's snaring people who shouldn't be ensnared.

errors are exaggerated. you know that, donkey fucker.

Wrong.

Common decency does not = pity.

Most of them aren't criminals and don't commit crimes.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine.

Of the most minor order and certainly not worth the massive amount of resources the CONVICTED FELON in the WH is throwing at it.

deportation is the policy. obama and Biden also did it.

Your side has zero credibility on the issue of holding criminals accountable.

When you begin to support punishing trump for his FELONIES then you can talk about punishing other people for misdemeanors.

We should arrest, try and convict, and then deport permanently anyone who attempts to use the power of their office to overturn a lawful election.

Never heard you utter a peep about that, though.

Thank you for proving me right.

The party of fake Christian values never fails to show it's true, un-Christ-like colors.

It's the height of irony that the people on my side who profess no allegiance to Christianity understand the ideas Jesus was trying to spread, while those on your side who falsely claim to align with Him, are full of everything that He reviled.

did jesus say to lie literally 100% of the time like progressives?

Yes, you people are just that backwards.

Like all MAGAs, you have a very shallow, narrow and overly simplistic idea of what constitutes decency.

you're a cretinesque america-hating rube.

 

[Nomad]

it;s allowing Chinese to come here on a terrorist visa, pop out a baby here, then bring it back to china and train it to be a terrorist against America with American citizenship.

I'll take "Things That Never Happened" for a thousand, Alex.

that's bad.

do you understand this point, you retarded cretin

You shouldn't talk to your superiors like that, sonny.

nope.

no itinerant workers.

American jobs for Americans.

Americans either won't do certain jobs no matter how pay is offered, or there are more job openings than Americans can fill.

That seems like something that should be obvious even to a retarded certain like you.

you hate the american people and eat shit.

Wrong.

I hate FAKE AMERICANS LIKE YOU.

 

[FastLane]

Additionally, Wong Kim Ark was decided AFTER Elk, and is controlling. In Wong Kim Ark, not relating to an indian reservation, but relating to a person born in the United States to foreign parents IS a Citizen.

The Supreme Court specifically made the distinction. If the Supreme Court were to find for the PP administration they would have to over rule the long standing precedent of Wong Kim Ark, which they are very unlikely to do.

Arks parent were here LEGALLY and were domiciled here. Illegal aliens are here illegally and are subject to immediate removal by deportation. If you are here legally and permanently your children are under the jurisdiction of our laws. Ark's parents were essentially the equivalent of Green Card holders . Illegal Aliens do not have Green Cards.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

I'll take "Things That Never Happened" for a thousand, Alex.

China’s Birthright Infiltration

Why the CCP’s abuse of unrestricted birthright citizenship is a national security nightmare.

www.commonplace.org

...

Imagine a million-plus potential enemy infiltrators, born in the United States but raised, educated, indoctrinated, and trained in the People’s Republic of China and holding no emotional or loyalty ties to the U.S.

These million enemy infiltrators are, in short, China’s perfect spies, saboteurs, and double agents, and their ranks are growing all the time. The Chinese Communist Party actively exploits American birthright citizenship to cultivate a spy network straight from a Tom Clancy novel.
...

You shouldn't talk to your superiors like that, sonny.

you are a retarded cretin.

that is accurate.

Americans either won't do certain jobs no matter how pay is offered, or there are more job openings than Americans can fill.

wrong. the globalist fascists just want to lower wages.

you're a sold out traitor to all humanity.

That seems like something that should be obvious even to a retarded certain like you.

your characterization leaves out the actual truth, aspiring slave whipper.

Wrong.

I hate FAKE AMERICANS LIKE YOU.

Im a real American.

you're a fake human.

now go eat your figgy pudding and fuck off.

 

[Nomad]

China’s Birthright Infiltration

Why the CCP’s abuse of unrestricted birthright citizenship is a national security nightmare.

www.commonplace.org

...

Imagine a million-plus potential enemy infiltrators, born in the United States but raised, educated, indoctrinated, and trained in the People’s Republic of China and holding no emotional or loyalty ties to the U.S.

These million enemy infiltrators are, in short, China’s perfect spies, saboteurs, and double agents, and their ranks are growing all the time. The Chinese Communist Party actively exploits American birthright citizenship to cultivate a spy network straight from a Tom Clancy novel.
...

Preposterous idea.

Managing such a program with a million or even half a million people, each one needing to be carefully coached and indoctrinated over years and years would be unmanageable not to mention extraordinarily expensive.

Then, there's no guarantee they'd go forward with whatever their "mission" was. What would they do.... vote against Trump or whichever evil, unhinged, mentally unstable despotic clown the right has chosen as their leader at the time?

How many of them would come over here, build happy lives, become productive citizens, decide they love it here and tell China to F.O.?

You read too many comic books, loser.

you are a retarded cretin.

that is accurate.


wrong. the globalist fascists just want to lower wages.

you're a sold out traitor to all humanity.

your characterization leaves out the actual truth, aspiring slave whipper.

You are one of Satan's anti-christ worshipping minions.

Im a real American.

you're a fake human.

You're a white trash POS.

now go eat your figgy pudding and fuck off.

You go eat a bowl of MAGA porridge...

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Preposterous idea.

it's already happening fuckface.

Managing such a program with a million or even half a million people, each one needing to be carefully coached and indoctrinated over years and years would be unmanageable not to mention extraordinarily expensive.

Then, there's no guarantee they'd go forward with whatever their "mission" was. What would they do.... vote against Trump or whichever evil, unhinged, mentally unstable despotic clown the right has chosen as their leader at the time?

How many of them would come over here, build happy lives, become productive citizens, decide they love it here and tell China to F.O.?

yet its happening.

You read too many comic books, loser.

this is non-fiction.

You are one of Satan's anti-christ worshipping minions.

You're a white trash POS.

You go eat a bowl of MAGA porridge...

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ad hominem attacks.

you have lost this thread on all fronts.

time for you to fuck off.

 

[Teflon Don]

Silly, even the Court seemed to agree. Tge conservatives agreed!

Have they ruled yet?