Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

Ichabod Stain said:
big pharma is pure evil.

it has capture of the entire medical industry and memory holes or forbids any cure that isn't a profitable pill.
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No, pharma does what any corporation does: Make a profit. For pharma companies, this requires they trot out new products frequently. This in turn takes big bucks in research and testing to do. That means new products cost a shit ton of money. What many socialized medicine countries do is make deals with the pharma companies to not have them charge off those development costs on them. The subsidize the medicine itself and the pharma company makes some profit off of those sales.

But they still have to recoup the cost of R&D and testing. That leaves fewer countries, like the US, where they can still do that. They try and recoup those costs before the patents run out (about 14 years at most). So, new drugs are ungodly expensive. They then hide those costs by government subsidy and insurance plans that spread it over all their customers even as only a few might use the drug.

Thus, the big hit from pharma companies is government regulation and the market being indirect, so end customers really don't see the true costs. Yes, there are some pharma companies that look to gouge the market but those usually find out PDQ that it won't work or last.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, pharma does what any corporation does: Make a profit. For pharma companies, this requires they trot out new products frequently. This in turn takes big bucks in research and testing to do. That means new products cost a shit ton of money. What many socialized medicine countries do is make deals with the pharma companies to not have them charge off those development costs on them. The subsidize the medicine itself and the pharma company makes some profit off of those sales.

But they still have to recoup the cost of R&D and testing. That leaves fewer countries, like the US, where they can still do that. They try and recoup those costs before the patents run out (about 14 years at most). So, new drugs are ungodly expensive. They then hide those costs by government subsidy and insurance plans that spread it over all their customers even as only a few might use the drug.

Thus, the big hit from pharma companies is government regulation and the market being indirect, so end customers really don't see the true costs. Yes, there are some pharma companies that look to gouge the market but those usually find out PDQ that it won't work or last.
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In fact, they get medicines worked on in medical schools. They are far from creating drugs. They buy up small companies that do research and sell the drugs at incredible markups. They offshore the drug manufacturing.
 
Into the Night said:
They don't know what a 'fascist' is.
They don't know what a 'women' is.
They don't know what a 'fact' is.
They don't know what a constitution is.
They don't know what a 'marriage' is.

You are asking people that don't know the language.
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You are correct sir. @Nordberg said the same thing. I responded with the same challenge. I call it a 'challenge', but it shouldn't be anything close to a challenge.

I never find it challenging to defend anything I say here, and I'm quite sure you wouldn't find that difficult either. Maybe that's because those of us on the sane side of the arguments actually know the meaning of the words we use and select them for that very reason.

Libtards? They're drones that parrot what they're told, they have no idea what they're saying, it's not important to them. They get virtue points for saying them.

Sort of like a dog getting a treat for obeying his master. The more times they obediently follow directions the more treats they get. Tell a dog to sit, if he's well trained, he sits. He then gets a treat. (Virtue points)

Ask the dog why he was told to sit, the dog will answer just like a libtards does. What's that? Jakey and Nordy just showed us. I could almost see them tilting their heads just like a dog that doesn't understand. Huh?? They have no idea.
 
Jake Starkey said:
so you cannot rebut the facts

we know that, toby
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Jakey boy, it's really simple. If you claim Trump is a fascist, you should know why and how Trump's a fascist. It was very clear you didn't have any idea what it means. I kindly provided you with what it means to be a fascist. You're welcome, by the way.

This gives you an opportunity to clarify what you meant so I could respond. The problem is, you can't do that, because you chose the wrong word. Either pick a new word you actually understand or give the examples that prove you're moronic and simple-minded claim.

There are no other choices other than avoid redeeming yourself like you're doing now. I never have the problem you're having because I know the meaning of the words I use. Try that going forward. Just trying to help, as usual.
 
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