Teflon Don
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How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even tell the difference between Iraq and Iran?
Your are so desperate to troll you don't even spell check yourself.
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Who won??? Pre Iraq war v. Post Iraq war….
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Your are so desperate to troll you don't even spell check yourself.
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I believe you. Send us the links so we can all be enlightened.
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The major problems started when GW didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia when the iraq war started, there was just Iran as a Shia country now Iraq was taken over by the Shia . Shia constitutes only 10% of the muslim population and the more radical . Iran is a major economic partner to Iraq, supplying electricity and goods, while utilizing Iraq to bypass sanctions.
Yep, once everyone who knew them at this time are all dead. lol
I like to think most people are basically good, even most MAGATs. It's sad that they've gone all in for a corrupt con man and would willingly sacrifice the country in order to keep him.
See above, but as of now it’s closed again.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Demands and collects are two very different things. If shippers won't pay, Iran gets nothing.
Demands are vastly different than reality.
They have been paying since daffy Donald started his war of choice. They are international corporations.They do not want Trump's war.
It looks like they will collect something from every ship that passes the Strait. They are talking about doing it through crypto. It is going to be interesting.
From my understanding, it will be $1 a barrel, or the equivalent for non crude oil shipments. There is also the reparations that they will be charging the Gulf States for the damage to their oil infrastructure. It looks like trump is giving them hundreds of billions a year.
What does trump have to offer Iran that is better than hundreds of billions a year, and why would we want him to offer that to Iran?
It really does not matter. Iran has refused to negotiate.
Iran controls the Strait, and American cannot take it away from them. That is just reality.
Ships are at a near standstill as they work out how to pay Iran for transit. When that is worked out, hopefully they will begin paying Iran and being allowed to transit the Strait.
I guess we all wish that trump had not lost the Strait in his war of choice, but those are the realities of today.
That is not for you to decide. trump has given the Strait to Iran, so now it is for Iran to decide.
The ships need to transit the Strait. The only way they can is by paying Iran. So they will either pay Iran, or be unable to transit.
Or trump can restart the war... And still not be able to get the ships through the Strait.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
They can say it, but getting it is another thing entirely. Unless they actually attack a non-paying ship they're talking smack. If they do attack a non-paying ship my bet is the bombing resumes within hours.
Leaving their shit alone. He doesn't have to offer them a wooden nickel.
Then I'd suggest more bombing, a lot more bombing, and a lot more indifference to the targets, is in order.
No, Iran does not control the strait. All they have is bravado and smack.
Not because of Iran per se, but rather because shippers and insurers aren't willing to chance a passage.
No, the reality is Trump is just too soft on Iran. If it were me, I be systematically leveling the country, international opinion be damned.
Iran doesn't control the strait. They are simply talking bluster like some schoolyard bully.
They can transit the strait. There is some risk that Iran might attack a passing ship, but that's something few shippers and insurers are willing to take.
All we'd need is for some shipper to try and transit the strait and Iran attacks the ship. The ceasefire is over and carpet bombing begins.
If it were me, the four islands Iran controls in the strait would be pulverized into moon dust without regard to targeting. I'd just flatten the whole island under a massive barrage of dumb bombs. B-52's alone could do that.
Right now, ships are not able to transit the Strait of Hormuz. The shipping companies would gladly pay any price, so they will get such a price, unless trump stops them. If trump stops them, then the ships will not transit the Strait of Hormuz.
They already have, so everyone knows that can and will. Moving on.
Yes, trump can do that. It will not open the Strait of Hormuz, but he can keep the Iranians from opening it.
Did heavy bombing by B-52's stop the NVA and the Viet Cong?
If trump does not like Iran's demands, he should not have agreed to a ceasefire.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Sure they can. The shippers and insurers simply don't want to take any risk doing so. There is nothing stopping them from trying.
No, they haven't. Iran has made demands, that's all.
The Iranians are for shit in closing the strait. If they demand ransom, we should bomb them relentlessly.
Yes. They tried and succeeded in negotiating a peace because that's what Nixon wanted.
He shouldn't have. He should have doubled up on the bombing. Carpet bomb everything. Declare that you don't really give a shit about civilian casualties. Say, If you are a civilian and live within 5 km of any of the following (list), you may end up dying in an air strike. We're no longer going to be so precise. If you don't like that, topple your government and unconditionally surrender.
Did the NVA and Viet Cong end the war because of a negotiated peace, or because they won the war? Let's look at Ho Chi Minh City(where the Fall of Saigon happened) and figure that out.
Iran has attacked 22 ships.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
With the US, yes. They then waited for the US to withdraw, and built up their forces over a few years before re-invading the South. Their first attempt failed disastrously. Their second succeeded because Democrats in Congress refused to appropriate funds to resupply the South with arms and munitions in accordance with the peace treaty.
A laughable figure. Iran has fired over 1000 ballistic missiles and drones at Bahrain alone with roughly 98% of those being shot down. You are looking at their few successes, not their overwhelming failures.
Note how these ships didn't pay Iran to transit after the ceasefire
Those paying the ransom are few and far between. They also are in abeyance of international law so they could face penalties outside the region.
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-us-war-strait-of-hormuz-shipping-oil/a-76503935
Again, the vast majority are NOT paying Iran a nickel
Friendly passage: Omani, French and Japanese ships successfully transit Hormuz
Three Omani-operated tankers, a French-owned container ship and a Japanese-owned gas carrier have crossed the Strait of Hormuz since Thursday, shipping data sho
Do you have any evidence of that? Your citation says they went on the Iranian approved route, with Iranian approval, to get out of Persian Gulf. Why would the Iranians give approval?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Are you fucking retarded? I just gave you proof of it.
Other links I’ve provided show the reality, but as of now, no ships are allowed through.