Who told us "socialized medicine" was bad?

ThatOwlWoman said:
Not hard to do. Medicare has been utilized for 60 years now. I've had it for seven of those years and like it far better than the employer-supplied plans I had prior to that. Getting appointments is no harder, payments to providers are timely, my out-of-pocket is affordable. I have to get monthly eye injections to stave off blindness. Each one is more than $2,000. My copay is ~$400. My copay for breast cancer diagnosis, surgery, and follow up was a couple thousand. I don't have to wait months for appointments. My scripts cost nothing.

I'm joined by millions who use Medicare and are satisfied with it. I'd like to see all citizens covered.

My youngest has MS and employer-supplied health insurance. Every time a test is ordered, or her meds are changed, her physicians have to argue with the insurance company which doesn't want to cover it. Her deductible is so high that she has to pay out of pocket for her annual brain MRI that checks for progression/remission. We helped her pay for the recent one. Her husband's late aunt also had MS. She did not have these hassles with Medicare.
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I have zero patience for idiots like Fowl, especially on this subject. I'll point out one very obvious fact this dumb bitch has never considered. Fowl is closing in on a century of wasting oxygen on planet Earth. She's either been sitting on her fat ass or occasionally 'working.' I'm going out on a limb here and guessing she's owned cars, TVs, a place to live with modern plumbing, plenty of junk food to fatten her ass, probably a few thousand pounds of weed, and on and on.

Despite those simple truths, libtards, especially the really dumb ones like this skanky old hag, have lived their entire lives thinking I should pay for their stupidity and immaturity. Fowl thinks I owe her some of my money to fix the many 'female' problems I'm sure she's having after a life of abusing certain parts of a female body that require proper care and maintenance, not neglect and abuse. The bitch is likely suffering from things I'd rather not know about and surely don't want to pay for. Libtards all seem to think they're owed other people's money to improve their quality of useless lives.

Did I get to approve every dumbass choice this stupid bitch has ever made? No. Did I get a chance to teach this moron how to make a budget and explain that nobody owes her shit, so maybe she should only buy things she can afford? No. Unless you're a libtard with zero understanding of reality, normal intelligent people know they'll need a sizable portion of every dollar they make to pay for potential medical problems. That's also why insurance exists. Smart and hard-working people figure out how to make enough money so they don't need much insurance or only carry high-deductible plans that cover catastrophic events.

These are the people who realize they were lucky to be born in the greatest country in human history, free to work as much and as hard as they choose. They know no other human being is responsible for anyone's laziness, stupidity, or bad luck. But luckily we have the freedom to choose how hard we work and how responsible we want to be, and both things will rightfully impact their standard of living. It's far superior to oppressive regimes that limit your choices and ability to succeed. If you're too stupid to realize this, you can go wherever you think the system caters to your laziness and stupidity. That's an actual right we all enjoy that morons like Fowl take for granted. There are literally billions of people that wish they could say the same thing. They would leave their hellholes with 'free healthcare' to come here and happily pay their own way.

So what is it that allows dumb bitches like Fowl to think I owe her anything? Why does she act like her right to be irresponsible her entire life should be my problem? How sad is it that she openly admits she couldn't cut it in this land of incredible opportunity? She tells us all she's inferior in a number of ways to me by assuming I should pay for her stupidity. After all, I'm not expecting or asking for a dime of anyone's money but my own until the day I die.

She has no pride because she's been taught nothing is her fault. It's this unfair system that allows some people to get way too rich while she doesn't get nearly enough from them. She truly believes the world owes her something. She thinks like every other moron on the left that medical care is a basic human right. We have the right that someone else pay for our well-being. We should expect that someone work their asses off and invest a small fortune to become doctors so they can donate their services to morons like Fowl. No? Oh, the doctors should get paid, but I should be the one paying for her because I made too much money while she did whatever she wanted, bought untold piles of junk no person on the planet needs to survive, and bitched about the fact that others have more her entire useless existence on the planet. Who should pay for Fowl to get those festering boils off her snatch? Obviously the rich, right?

So tell me, libtards, why do you think I should pay for your stupidity? Do I mind helping those who truly NEED it? Not at all. Are the millions of morons like Fowl truly needy? By that I mean, does she claim she worked hard, never bought anything she didn't absolutely need to survive, but still couldn't manage to pay for her own well-being? Has she never bought a TV, smartphone, a place to live bigger than needed to simply survive, ice cream sundaes, soda, a car, a computer, more than two or three outfits, more than one or two pairs of shoes, or the thousands of things morons think are rights as well?

In conclusion, the idea that healthcare is a human right is as crazy as tampons in men's bathrooms. There is zero basis for this idea other than libtard delusions about their very existence. If I'm wrong, can someone show me why they think they have the right to compel others to care for them in any way? Answer: no way in hell. If anyone tries, you'll see a whole host of delusions just like the idea that any man on the planet needs to place a maxi-pad over their dick or a tampon up their ass to prevent monthly bleeding from ruining their boxers.
 
Into the Night said:
He doesn't know what 'fascism' means. He thinks it means 'union of corporate and government', whatever THAT means! Corporations, if course, are not government. They are private businesses, each trying to make a profit to survive. The only difference between a business owner and a corporation is that corporations have a constitution, called the corporate bylaws. This document describes how many shares the corporation has to sell, how many can be sold by the founders, what happens if the corporation dissolves, how the board is established, etc.; but it IS just a business in the end. It is not government.

Fascism is just a form of socialism. It is government manipulation of markets. It is but a stepping stone on the way to another form of socialism, which is communism, or government ownership of markets. (Source: Karl Marx)

All socialism is based on theft of wealth.

Socialism never works. It always collapses in the end, and brings misery the whole time.

Capitalism is the only system that creates wealth.
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As usual, you are correct sir. Well said. Obviously JPP's resident crack head (can't keep up with his constant name changes) will continue to misuse words. It seems to be his thing. I guess people think it sounds really smart to throw an 'ism' in the sentence. At least half of the idiots here think the same, so he has a captive audience. His problem? He's too insane for anyone to bother with in any serious way. I've tried to help because I'm really nice that way. That's sort of my thing, lol.
 
Nordberg said:
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know you cannot accept what is against your pro-capitalist ideas. But we are low in healthcare on nearly every measurement, I am surptised anyone is not aware of how bad our system is and why. https://scienceinsights.org/why-is-the-us-healthcare-system-so-bad/
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Did you actually read that article? Nowhere in it does it actually discuss the quality of care our healthcare system delivers. Instead, it talks about costs, lack of coverage for some persons, and the mortality rate--which has more to do with factors external to healthcare than the healthcare system itself.

It is just another parrot in a flock of parrots squawking about the need for socialized medicine.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Did you actually read that article? Nowhere in it does it actually discuss the quality of care our healthcare system delivers. Instead, it talks about costs, lack of coverage for some persons, and the mortality rate--which has more to do with factors external to healthcare than the healthcare system itself.
ense and
It is just another parrot in a flock of parrots squawking about the need for socializ of healthcare, but force docors and hospitals to provideed medicine.
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It shows we are behind many, many countries in healthcare. We are being looted. There have been a couple of bills to stop the looting of durable medical equipment. Lobbying power and political donations keep us being robbed.
Healthcare insurance does not have a product or provide a service. They are looting us and deluding people like you. Medical lobbying is bigger than defense and power company lobbying. They know how to work the system and the uninformed. They take mega billions out of only while forcing doctors and hospitals to provide staffing and records. Our system is bad. When Taiwan was going to provide universal medical care, they sent people to see ours. That was to show them what they should not do.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Irrelevant appeal to popularity. If everybody was jumping off a cliff would you do it too?


And virtually all of them have worse healthcare provision and quality. Look at the actual studies on this. The US ranks in the top 3 for quality of care in all of them. Our shorter life span isn't due to healthcare issues, but other things.


Crummier outcomes at less expense because the government doesn't give a shit about your health only that you don't cost them an arm and a leg--unless it's your arm and leg. It's just facts.

Socialized medicine only works well compared to socialized medicine. Go to Mexico sometime and see what their socialized medicine program is like, as one example. In Canada you could well die waiting to be seen for some condition. Canadians regularly come to Arizona to cross over into Mexico and use their private, pay as you go healthcare for prescriptions, dental, and general care because there's no waiting, the price if great, and the quality is equal or better to what you'd get in Canada.

One example:

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Congratulations. One does not often find this amount of bullshit in one place outside of a Trump speech.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
overcharging on little shit is also highly profitable. they wont let that go either.

insurance must be eliminated and big pharma needs to be bitch slapped into the stone age.

they must be put in jail when they attempt genocide.

any mandated medicine is CLEAR fascism and that must end as well.

they are the Nazis.
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Buzzword fallacies (overcharging, they, big pharma, genocide, fascism, Nazis).

Go learn English.
What is 'big pharma'?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Did I say mandatory? No, I did not. I'm merely pointing out that you are wrong; preventative medicine has been shown to be cost-effective, contributes to a decrease in morbidity and mortality, and has been adopted by most health insurers as good practice. They're in business to make money. They wouldn't provide free annual wellness visits if it cost them money; it SAVES money in the long run. Your idea of removing annual checks from insurance coverage would lead to undiagnosed-but-easily-treated-if-found-early health conditions like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, hypertension, etc. That's why the bean counters have calculated that the old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is valid.
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You don't need insurance to do an annual checkup. Just go do an annual checkup. It's cheap.
 
Nordberg said:
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It shows we are behind many, many countries in healthcare.
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All leftist propaganda sources.

You seem to forget the major advances in healthcare occurred in the United States and later spread to the world.
Nordberg said:
We are being looted.
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Inversion fallacy. DEMOCRATS are looting and rioting. DEMOCRATS support organized crime.
Nordberg said:
There have been a couple of bills to stop the looting of durable medical equipment.
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It's already a crime, Sybil.
Nordberg said:
Lobbying power and political donations keep us being robbed.
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Socialism is theft of wealth, Sybil.
Nordberg said:
Healthcare insurance does not have a product or provide a service.
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The product is insurance. It is a service, Sybil.
Nordberg said:
They are looting us and deluding people like you. Medical lobbying is bigger than defense and power company lobbying. They know how to work the system and the uninformed. They take mega billions out of only while forcing doctors and hospitals to provide staffing and records. Our system is bad. When Taiwan was going to provide universal medical care, they sent people to see ours. That was to show them what they should not do.
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Synthesis.
Go live in Taiwan. Pay your taxes.

Illiteracy: Double verb. Buzzwords (they, loot).
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
People would just stop going for routine checkups and vaccinations. When someone comes up with a preventable condition like lung cancer, severe heart disease, or stroke from undiagnosed hypertension -- will it cost their insurance company a bundle for their treatment? That's why their bean counters have calculated that paying 100% for preventative care costs the least. No one is forcing them to provide free preventative care.
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I highly recommend all MAGAts stop seeing doctors, stop taking any medications and only subsist upon road kill and sewage water. :thup:
 
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