Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

So, if God is omniscient, as the Bible states, then he knew that he was creating Satan, he knew that his flawed creation would have to eventually be drowned, based on his own requirement, he knew that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and result in all of the pain and suffering that he required would happen if they at the apple.

Why do you think the creation of Earth is flawed? What is flawed? Do you know what freedom of choice is?

God is not Satan. God is not Adam or Eve. The great decision made by Adam brought about your ability to come here.

IOW, he, based on his own book, is a psychopath.

Mantra 1d. I don't think you even know what a 'psychopath' is.

And why do you care? You are a fundamentalist believer in the Church of No God.

 

[Into the Night]

Incoherent babbling.

Declaring your own religion is babbling??

YOU declared it!

 

[Into the Night]

Now you might understand why I've given up trying to discuss anything with JPP psychos.

You don't even know what he's talking about!

 

[Into the Night]

I assume you refer to Europe and the Americas.
Are other continents thoroughly permeated by Christian zeitgeist?

I am ethnically Catholic, atheist in terms of not believing in anything supernatural,
and basically in line with NT teachings without actually believing the stories.

However, it seems to me that strict fundamentalist/evangelical/literalist American Christians are actually more OT oriented.

You are not an atheist. Not much of a Catholic either, since you discard the Bible.

 

[ZenMode]

Why do you think the creation of Earth is flawed? What is flawed? Do you know what freedom of choice is?

God is not Satan. God is not Adam or Eve. The great decision made by Adam brought about your ability to come here.

Stop changing the topic. If the God of Abraham is omniscient, as the Bible says, then he knew, before creating man, that he would be drowning them. He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and he set the rules for what would happen when they did - a world of pain and suffering.

He knows every child that is being raped and abused and not only knew it was going to happen, but allows it to happen in real time.

Despite that, Christians want to tell the world that their god is a father figure of some type. All-loving. All-gracious, etc.

Both of those things can't be true.

And Christians who want to blame Satan for this and that are actually blaming their god because their god made Satan.

 

[Into the Night]

You're free to Christian-bash, push militant atheism and call it "debate" just as the Jesus Freaks are able to do the same, but I fail to see how two nutjobs screaming at each other is "discussion". YMMV.

He is not an atheist. He is a fundamentalist, like you.

 

[Into the Night]

Stop changing the topic.

I'm not, Void.

If the God of Abraham is omniscient, as the Bible says, then he knew, before creating man, that he would be drowning them. He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and he set the rules for what would happen when they did - a world of pain and suffering.

He knows every child that is being raped and abused and not only knew it was going to happen, but allows it to happen.

Despite that, Christians want to tell the world that their god is a father figure of some type. All-loving. All-gracious, etc.

Both of those things can't be true.

Yes it can, Void.
False dichotomy fallacy.

What you care? You don't believe in a god anyway. You are just a fundamentalist in the Church of No God.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Stop changing the topic. If the God of Abraham is omniscient, as the Bible says, then he knew, before creating man, that he would be drowning them. He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and he set the rules for what would happen when they did - a world of pain and suffering.

He knows every child that is being raped and abused and not only knew it was going to happen, but allows it to happen in real time.

Despite that, Christians want to tell the world that their god is a father figure of some type. All-loving. All-gracious, etc.

Both of those things can't be true.

That's exactly why religion doesn't work for me.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's exactly why religion doesn't work for me.

Did you raise your kids to be atheists or did you raise them by going to church regularly? Are they atheists now?

I'm not a dogmatic believer, but I do believe there is a power and intelligence behind the Universe and a post-mortem existence.

BTW, a great movie is Dogma.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120655/?ref_=fn_t_1

 

[ZenMode]

I'm not, Void.

Yes it can, Void.

No it can't. Words like loving, caring and gracious have meanings and the Christian god, according to his own actions, is none of them.

False dichotomy fallacy.

Incoherent babbling.

Ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

No it can't.

Yes it can, Void.

Words like loving, caring and gracious have meanings and the Christian god, according to his own actions, is none of them.

Yes He is, Void.

Incoherent babbling.

Ignored.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

You don't have to believe the Jewish story of Noah's ark is literally an accurate historical account to be a Christian.

Now, in your worldview nothing exists but electrons, quarks, and energy. That means there is no ultimate meaning or purpose to anything, and humans do not really have any kind of innate value.

So why do you have moral outrage about a flood? The only way you could be morally outraged is if you believe in an objective moral truth, an imperative moral obligation that stands independent of human opinion, human culture, or popular consensus.

What exactly is this objective moral standard you are pointing at to justify your moral outrage?

this is nonsensical, nihilistic, ne'er do well, and neanderthal.

Attempted negative proof fallacy. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). You cannot make evidence supporting Christianity just disappear, Void.

negatives can be proven.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Did you raise your kids to be atheists or did you raise them by going to church regularly? Are they atheists now?

I'm not a dogmatic believer, but I do believe there is a power and intelligence behind the Universe and a post-mortem existence.

My kids were baptized to pacify family, and even allowed to attend religious classes.
Same reason the Gestapo and I were married in a formal Mass...not our idea.

As very small children, they, on their own, asked to stop attending the religion classes
with no positive or negative influence from the Gestapo or me.

The Gestapo still seems to regard herself as Catholic although she's not a churchgoer since Catholic high school.
I regard myself as ethnically Catholic, being Italian, but not at all religious.
Some people call that an atheist and some don't.
I generally find labels useful, as you know, but I'm unconcerned with that one, either way.

My son outright regards himself as an atheist and is actually offended by religious talk.
My daughter absolutely never discusses the subject, and ignores it if it comes up.
She was not married in church, however, despite having had a very fancy, elaborate, and expensive wedding
for an eleven year marriage.

 

[ZenMode]

Yes it can, Void.

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

Yes He is, Void.

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

incoherent babbling. Ignored.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

incoherent babbling. Ignored.

yes. saying things into existence only works with when intention is correct.

I am monad.

hear me.

manifest now.

into the night is forever known as baked bean boy.

make it so.

Amen.

 

[Into the Night]

My kids were baptized to pacify family, and even allowed to attend religious classes.
Same reason the Gestapo and I were married in a formal Mass...not our idea.

As very small children, they, on their own, asked to stop attending the religion classes
with no positive or negative influence from the Gestapo or me.

The Gestapo still seems to regard herself as Catholic although she's not a churchgoer since Catholic high school.
I regard myself as ethnically Catholic, being Italian, but not at all religious.

Catholocism is a religion.

Some people call that an atheist and some don't.

Not atheism.

I generally find labels useful, as you know, but I'm unconcerned with that one, either way.

Not just a 'label'. Atheism has a specific meaning.

My son outright regards himself as an atheist and is actually offended by religious talk.

Atheists don't care about religion. They simply are a non-religion.

My daughter absolutely never discusses the subject, and ignores it if it comes up.
She was not married in church, however, despite having had a very fancy, elaborate, and expensive wedding
for an eleven year marriage.

Good for her. Marriage is a lot of work, but can produce great happiness.

 

[Into the Night]

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

Denial of logic.

You're trying to make things true by saying them. That's not going to work.

Repetition fallacy.

incoherent babbling. Ignored.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Stop changing the topic. If the God of Abraham is omniscient, as the Bible says, then he knew, before creating man, that he would be drowning them. He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and he set the rules for what would happen when they did - a world of pain and suffering.

He knows every child that is being raped and abused and not only knew it was going to happen, but allows it to happen in real time.

Despite that, Christians want to tell the world that their god is a father figure of some type. All-loving. All-gracious, etc.

Both of those things can't be true.

And Christians who want to blame Satan for this and that are actually blaming their god because their god made Satan.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

My kids were baptized to pacify family, and even allowed to attend religious classes.
Same reason the Gestapo and I were married in a formal Mass...not our idea.

As very small children, they, on their own, asked to stop attending the religion classes
with no positive or negative influence from the Gestapo or me.

The Gestapo still seems to regard herself as Catholic although she's not a churchgoer since Catholic high school.
I regard myself as ethnically Catholic, being Italian, but not at all religious.
Some people call that an atheist and some don't.
I generally find labels useful, as you know, but I'm unconcerned with that one, either way.

My son outright regards himself as an atheist and is actually offended by religious talk.
My daughter absolutely never discusses the subject, and ignores it if it comes up.
She was not married in church, however, despite having had a very fancy, elaborate, and expensive wedding
for an eleven year marriage.

wait.

so you call your wife the Gestapo?

 

[ZenMode]

Denial of logic.

Yes, that's another way of describing what you're trying to do.

Repetition fallacy.

Incoherent babbling. Ignored.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Thanks for confirming you have nothing....