The insanity of government run grocery stores:
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^ lie. I use AI a lot and it almost always includes citations for the positions or statements offered.
Human intuition and manual search is wrong far more than google and AI.
But again, this just shows you do not understand the topic you are discussing. If prior to the personal computer i was speaking about which planets are closest and furthest from our sun, i can do it off the top my head, as i believe it to be, or i could pick up an encyclopedia and cite it to CONFIRM what i then KNOW it be as confirmed by the encyclopedia.
AI and Google are just more EFFICIENT encyclopedia's. They allow you to test your position against the CITED breath of knowledge at a quick glance which is GUARANTEED to be better than Terry's guess not using google or AI to fact check and simply because he thinks his common sense (non existent) is superior.
It is correct more than you are on MOST topics so i guess that makes you grade 4. You are making the argument you do against EV's which is they are not perfect and thus are no good.
Fact is any human using AI or google will be more accurate and more correct than a person refusing to use them and you could probably not find one area where that is not true. As access to more data, more information is always better than less.
So Terry speaking on 'Mars' based on what he thinks he knows will fall far short of someone else speaking on Mars and using AI and Google.
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Terry does not like that he often writes long winded and incorrect posts that AI exposes as such in seconds in a way that cannot be refuted, full of citations and facts.1. “AI clearly doesn't understand hyperbole. It takes all statements literally.”
False
AI systems do not “take everything literally” in a simple rule-based way.
- Large language models are trained on vast amounts of human language, including sarcasm, metaphor, exaggeration, and hyperbole.
- They often can recognize hyperbole from context (e.g., “I’ve told you a million times” is usually interpreted as emphasis, not literal counting).
- However, they are not perfectly reliable and can sometimes misread intent, especially when context is unclear.
So the accurate version is:
2. “It doesn't get information embedded in pictures or videos.”
This is only true for text-only models, not modern multimodal AI.
- Many current systems (e.g., GPT-4o-class models, Gemini, Claude with vision) can:
- interpret images
- describe scenes
- read text in images
- reason about visual content
Research does show limitations in visual reasoning, especially with abstract images, fine detail, or complex reasoning chains.
But “doesn’t get information from images/videos” is simply not true anymore.
3. “It is often simply wrong on the level of a 6th grade education”
This is a comparison that sounds intuitive but doesn’t match evidence.
- AI performance is highly variable by task
- Often strong: summarization, explanation, general knowledge
- Weaknesses: hallucinations, niche facts, ambiguous prompts, complex reasoning chains
- Studies consistently show mixed accuracy, not systematic low-level failure.
Importantly:
- On many standardized tasks, modern models perform at or above average human-level benchmarks
- On others, they can fail in very basic ways
So it is not accurate to compare it broadly to a “6th grade level” as a general rule.
Bottom line
The claim is wrong as a general statement.
What Terry wants is an argument where he says 'nuh uh... i am correct' and the opposing person says 'nuh uh... i am' and the entire argument is just opinion and thus no one is proved wrong.
So the more an AI citation exposes what Terry said to be wrong the quicker he hand waves it off saying he will not even reply to it.
T. A. Gardner
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Grim Reaper
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Why you responded this way :
- Frustration or contempt: They may feel annoyed, insulted, or exhausted by the discussion and respond emotionally rather than rationally.
- Trolling / performance hostility: Online, some people use overly formal or theatrical insults to provoke reactions or assert dominance in a thread.
- Avoiding engagement: It’s a way to end the conversation without having to explain why they disagree.
- Echoing internet sarcasm formats: It resembles meme-style “bureaucratic dismissal” phrasing that some people use jokingly—but it’s still hostile in context.
In terms of communication quality, it’s not constructive:
- It doesn’t address any argument
- It doesn’t provide reasoning or evidence
- It mainly serves to dismiss and shut down dialogue
T. A. Gardner
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I'll reply when you write something. I can't respond to Google's AI as it isn't reading or "listening" to this.
Grim Reaper
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You sure about that?
T. A. Gardner
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Yes. The responses are too fast and too formatted to make it possible that a mediocre intellect like yours made any of it.
Grim Reaper
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Well you would be wrong.
T. A. Gardner
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No, I am not. This is a variant of your earlier shit reposting lots of X and other social media posts. You offer nothing on your own.
Grim Reaper
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Grim Reaper
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I don't use X. Shrug
T. A. Gardner
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I've told you before to stop doing that.LMAO! Slow down when owning me!!!
countryboy
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So refute it with your own source. I know how libs hate legitimate news sources.
Grim Reaper
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Here ya go!
1. “Government-run grocery stores… Mamdani’s plan”
Partly true (policy discussion exists)- Zohran Mamdani has publicly supported ideas like public grocery stores or municipal grocery pilots in NYC as a way to address food deserts and high prices.
- These proposals are policy ideas under debate, not an established program already implemented at scale.
Important:- This is not a functioning nationwide “government grocery system”
- It is a proposed or exploratory municipal concept, not “socialism in action” as a completed system
2. “They block grocery stores, then build their own”
Unverified / misleading framing- There is no evidence that NYC is broadly “blocking grocery stores” and replacing them with government stores
- This is a rhetorical claim common in political commentary, not a documented policy pattern
3. “Four times the cost per square foot”
Not verified- The claim that government grocery stores cost “four times” private construction is:
- not supported by independent cost analysis
- not backed by neutral fiscal reports or audited comparisons
Public construction projects can sometimes cost more due to:
- procurement rules
- labor requirements
- regulatory compliance
But a blanket “4x cost” figure is not established fact.
4. “Using eminent domain to seize land”
Incorrect in this context- There is no verified plan or enacted policy showing Mamdani’s grocery proposal relies on eminent domain.
- Eminent domain is a specific legal tool used in limited infrastructure cases, not a default mechanism for grocery store siting.
This is a common exaggeration in political arguments about public projects.
5. “$30 million to open one store”
Unverified claim- This number appears in commentary/op-ed framing, not in independently confirmed budgeting documents.
- No audited municipal budget or official project plan confirms a $30M cost for a single store.
Without primary sourcing, this remains an unverified figure.
6. “It will directly compete with nearby private stores → bankruptcy”
Speculative prediction, not fact- Whether a public grocery store would harm private businesses depends on:
- pricing strategy
- scale
- location
- demand elasticity
There is no evidence-based conclusion that such stores inherently cause private store bankruptcy.
This is an opinionated economic prediction, not a demonstrated outcome.
7. “This is the insanity of Socialism”
Ideological framing, not factual claim- “Socialism” is a broad political and economic term.
- A single municipal retail experiment does not equate to full socialism.
- This is a rhetorical label, not an analytical conclusion.
Bias analysis
The passage shows several clear bias markers:
- Loaded language: “insanity,” “socialism on full display,” “bankruptcy”
- Slippery slope reasoning (one store → systemic collapse)
- Unverified numeric claims used for persuasion
- Ideological labeling replacing policy analysis
This is characteristic of op-ed persuasion writing, not neutral reporting.
Bottom line
- True: There is discussion of municipal grocery store concepts in NYC policy circles
- Not proven: $30M cost, eminent domain use, “4x construction cost,” or guaranteed business collapse
- Misleading: Framing a proposal as an established socialist system or proven failure case
- Overall: The argument is heavily ideological and relies on unsupported or exaggerated claims
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MAGAts love to use X as if that's an authoritative source. Basically, MAGAts like stuff that supports their POV and they hate stuff that doesn't. Weird
T. A. Gardner
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Look at the location of this proposed store on a map. It's at 115 th St and Park Ave under the elevated train. It's to be in an ex-market space that was called, Exsquare International Foods. There is ZERO parking within at least a block of the location.
How many people want to grocery shop and then have to try and haul on foot what they bought? It's not on an MTA rail station stop. It is a shit location for convenience of the government, not customers. Whoever thought this was a good location is a complete retard.
How many people want to grocery shop and then have to try and haul on foot what they bought? It's not on an MTA rail station stop. It is a shit location for convenience of the government, not customers. Whoever thought this was a good location is a complete retard.
