So China released a biological weapon that democrats helped develop and somehow that is Trumps fault?
I do not agree with this
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So China released a biological weapon that democrats helped develop and somehow that is Trumps fault?
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
That claim is not supported by credible evidence.
- China and biological weapons: There is no verified evidence that COVID-19 or any other recent virus was intentionally released by China as a biological weapon. Scientific consensus supports that SARS-CoV-2 likely originated from natural spillover from animals to humans, although the exact pathway is still under investigation.
- Democrats helping develop it: There is no credible evidence that U.S. political parties, including Democrats, were involved in developing a virus as a weapon. Such claims are unfounded conspiracy theories.
- Trump’s responsibility: Assigning blame to any specific U.S. political figure for the origin of the virus is factually unsupported. The pandemic involved global public health failures, but no verified evidence ties Trump to creating or spreading the virus.
Overall, this statement mixes unverified conspiracy claims and political framing without evidence. It is false as written.
Well, regardless of the China thing, it is Trump’s fault he totally not only screw up handling the problem but also lied to the American people numerous times during a generational crisis, you still taking your hydroxychloroquineSo China released a biological weapon that democrats helped develop and somehow that is Trumps fault?
I think it was necessary when Obama did it, or our economic system was likely to fall apart.
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Trump should not bail them out with taxpayer funds. This is just another GM.
Let the fuckers go bankrupt.
Plus all the videos I ever see of people losing their shit on an airplane almost always comes from Spirit Airlines. Probably people flying to Carnival Cruises. No wonder non violent people don't want to fly them.
We do have merchant marines for shipping. I can see a merchant marine type for aviation as well.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
What's your position on Biden shoving a shift to EV's down the US auto industry's throats and then when they lose billions because the vehicles don't sell, walking away as if it never happened?
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
It was really about YOU not them. But I guess that was too subtle for you
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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America has a tiny mercantile fleet.
Number and Size of the U.S. Flag Merchant Fleet and Its Share of the World Fleet
America is incapable of redressing the deficiency.
The U.S. Commercial Ship Industry Has Collapsed
I don’t know enough about it, I’d have to know how he went about it. How and why he “walked away”. My car was build during the Biden years and I love it.
Tbird19482
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Are you trying to say it was Obama that bailed out GM in 2008?
It was NOT Obama it was G.W. Bush. Obama did NOT have anything to do with it.
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President George W. Bush was the president when General Motors (GM) was bailed out in December 2008. He announced a $17.4 billion bailout plan to prevent GM and Chrysler from facing bankruptcy during the financial downturn.
Once again proving there is NO hypocrisy like demopocrisy.
No, GM going broke would not collapse the economy - nor will Spirit going broke.
The ONLY difference is the party involved. I knew I could count on your hypocrisy. You'll defend your King while damning Trump for doing the exact same thing.
And now GM is once again facing bankruptcy.
You just know that you worship your King, anything he did is good. Anything Trump does is bad - even when both do exactly the same thing.
I wish Obama held out for a public option on healthcare, disliked his droaning of people in the ME. I hated the tan suit!
ROFL
BWAHAHAHA
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President George W. Bush was the president when General Motors (GM) was bailed out in December 2008. He announced a $17.4 billion bailout plan to prevent GM and Chrysler from facing bankruptcy during the financial downturn.
Dubya was and is a moron. But you are doing as you always do, distorting and fabricating.
Oh, it's true that lame duck Dubya signed the relief put forth by democrats in December of 2008 - after Obama had been elected. But the bail out occured in May of 2009.
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Obama bailed out GM and created Government Motors - both as a Senator who voted for the proposal and as president who actually funded GM.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
1. The first bailout money for GM was approved under President George W. Bush
- December 19, 2008: President George W. Bush authorized $17.4 billion in emergency loans for GM and Chrysler.
- This came from the TARP program (Troubled Asset Relief Program).
- Source: Politico, Dec. 19, 2008 (the same article linked in your quote).
This part is correct: Bush initiated the bailout.
2. The majority of the GM rescue happened under President Barack Obama
After taking office in January 2009, the Obama administration:
- Oversaw GM’s bankruptcy restructuring
- Provided additional loans and equity investments
- Managed the creation of “New GM”
- Oversaw the government taking a 60% ownership stake in GM
- Oversaw the May–June 2009 funding actions you quoted (warranty program, restructuring loans, etc.)
This is also correct: Obama executed the restructuring and provided most of the funds.
So who “bailed out” GM?
It depends on what someone means by “bailed out”:
If “bailed out” means:
Who first approved emergency money to prevent collapse?
George W. BushIf “bailed out” means:
Who carried out the bankruptcy, restructuring, and majority of the funding?
Barack ObamaBoth statements can be true depending on the definition.
This is why people argue about it — they’re using the same phrase to mean different things.
Sources you can check yourself
Here are neutral, mainstream sources confirming the timeline:
Bush phase
- Politico: “Bush bails out U.S. automakers” (Dec. 19, 2008)
- U.S. Treasury TARP transaction reports (Dec 2008)
Obama phase
- U.S. Treasury Auto Industry Financing Program (AIFP) reports
- Congressional Oversight Panel: “The GM and Chrysler Restructuring” (2010)
- GM bankruptcy filings (June 2009)
- SEC filings for GM Warranty LLC (May 2009)
All of these show the same sequence:
Bush started it, Obama finished it.
Why the forum argument got heated
Because each person is technically right about their part of the timeline — but wrong if they claim the other part didn’t happen.
This is a classic case of:
- Talking past each other
- Using different definitions
- Mixing facts with political emotion
AI response. Do better.
I do too - because there was ZERO chance of passing it, and Fascist care is an unmitigated disaster. If it had died on the vine, Americans would still have quality healthcare.
But you were cool with the Al Qaeda spring, weren't you? Handing Libya and Egypt to Al Qaeda was one of your King's major "accomplishments."
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1. The first bailout money for GM was approved under President George W. Bush
- December 19, 2008: President George W. Bush authorized $17.4 billion in emergency loans for GM and Chrysler.
- This came from the TARP program (Troubled Asset Relief Program).
- Source: Politico, Dec. 19, 2008 (the same article linked in your quote).
This part is correct: Bush initiated the bailout.
2. The majority of the GM rescue happened under President Barack Obama
After taking office in January 2009, the Obama administration:
- Oversaw GM’s bankruptcy restructuring
- Provided additional loans and equity investments
- Managed the creation of “New GM”
- Oversaw the government taking a 60% ownership stake in GM
- Oversaw the May–June 2009 funding actions you quoted (warranty program, restructuring loans, etc.)
This is also correct: Obama executed the restructuring and provided most of the funds.
It depends on what someone means by “bailed out”:
If “bailed out” means:
Who first approved emergency money to prevent collapse?
If “bailed out” means:
Who carried out the bankruptcy, restructuring, and majority of the funding?
Both statements can be true depending on the definition.
This is why people argue about it — they’re using the same phrase to mean different things.
Here are neutral, mainstream sources confirming the timeline:
Bush phase
- Politico: “Bush bails out U.S. automakers” (Dec. 19, 2008)
- U.S. Treasury TARP transaction reports (Dec 2008)
Obama phase
- U.S. Treasury Auto Industry Financing Program (AIFP) reports
- Congressional Oversight Panel: “The GM and Chrysler Restructuring” (2010)
- GM bankruptcy filings (June 2009)
- SEC filings for GM Warranty LLC (May 2009)
All of these show the same sequence:
Bush started it, Obama finished it.
Because each person is technically right about their part of the timeline — but wrong if they claim the other part didn’t happen.
This is a classic case of:
- Talking past each other
- Using different definitions
- Mixing facts with political emotion
AI response. Do better.
Right, China engaged in biological warfare - BUH TWUMP
You mean with masks and 6 foot distancing?
Oh wait, that was Fauci and the democrats...
There are much better therapeutics now. But their weren't at the time. Hydroxychloroquine is indeed effective, but there are much better options at this point.
You're a fucking clown.