RFK claims about vaccines fact checked by Senator Dr Bill Cassidy.

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Cliffs :

- Kennedy lies about what two studies say by only quoting one part while ignoring the secondary parts that go against exactly what he is claiming. S
- Senator Dr Cassidy looks up studies and points out the KEY parts Kennedy ignores that CLEARLY refute what he says, citing the efficacy of vaccines.

 
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Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry.
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Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry. Additional context: - In the first half of 2023...
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Knuckles Z said:
Let's be transparent
Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry.
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How much campaign finance revenue does senator dr cassidy get from the pharmaceutical industry?

Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry. Additional context: - In the first half of 2023...
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None of that changes the FACT that Kennedy was lying about what the studies say and Senator Cassidy pointed directly at those lies in a way we can all see them, as Kennedy skipped the entire parts of the studies that said the parts that disagree with his points in much the same way @T. A. Gardner and @FastLane do, and get busted here for constantly when they quote studies or articles.
 
QP! said:
None of that changes the FACT that Kennedy was lying about what the studies say and Senator Cassidy pointed directly at those lies in a way we can all see them, as Kennedy skipped the entire parts of the studies that said the parts that disagree with his points in much the same way @T. A. Gardner and @FastLane do, and get busted here for constantly when they quote studies or articles.
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74% of "COVID deaths" were from the vaccine.
 
QP! said:
None of that changes the FACT that Kennedy was lying about what the studies say and Senator Cassidy pointed directly at those lies in a way we can all see them, as Kennedy skipped the entire parts of the studies that said the parts that disagree with his points in much the same way @T. A. Gardner and @FastLane do, and get busted here for constantly when they quote studies or articles.
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Knuckles Z said:
Let's be transparent
Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry.
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How much campaign finance revenue does senator dr cassidy get from the pharmaceutical industry?

Senator Bill Cassidy has received $712,504 from the pharmaceutical and health products industry between 2019 and 2024, according to OpenSecrets data. This includes $428,950 from PACs and $283,554 from individual contributors within the industry. Additional context: - In the first half of 2023...
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Are you suggesting that what Cassidy read in the clip isn't true?
 
QP! said:
None of that changes the FACT that Kennedy was lying about what the studies say and Senator Cassidy pointed directly at those lies in a way we can all see them, as Kennedy skipped the entire parts of the studies that said the parts that disagree with his points in much the same way @T. A. Gardner and @FastLane do, and get busted here for constantly when they quote studies or articles.
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@T. A. Gardner is at this very moment arguing against AI content because it's inaccurate. The irony in this instance could not be deeper.
 
Knuckles Z said:
Partial truth. Not lying. He was making a point but should have been more clear.
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No Kennedy was flat out lying in how he represented the study. The part he left out absolutely counters his claim and he said the study proved his claim. The opposite was true as Senator Dr Cassidy points out clearly.
 
Diesel said:
@T. A. Gardner is at this very moment arguing against AI content because it's inaccurate. The irony in this instance could not be deeper.
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He always does.

@T. A. Gardner constantly argues AI and google can make mistakes and thus not using them and just using your own knowledge and backing that up with old school pre internet age data searches is superior. He does not understand humans also make mistakes that way and FAR MORE than if you aggregate data via Ai or google to inform your points before making them.

It is the same way he cites 'EV fires' as a reason to not drive EV's while ignoring that ICE vehicles catch fire more and kill more people.

It is a stupidity block he has where he does not realize pointing out a mistake or issue in one is only a good argument if the other option is better and they are NEVER are in what he says.
 
QP! said:
He always does.

@T. A. Gardner constantly argues AI and google can make mistakes and thus not using them and just using your own knowledge and backing that up with old school pre internet age data searches is superior. He does not understand humans also make mistakes that way and FAR MORE than if you aggregate data via Ai or google to inform your points before making them.

It is the same way he cites 'EV fires' as a reason to not drive EV's while ignoring that ICE vehicles catch fire more and kill more people.

It is a stupidity block he has where he does not realize pointing out a mistake or issue in one is only a good argument if the other option is better and they are NEVER are in what he says.
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Terry often mischaracterizes sources and draws irrational conclusions. I'm surprised that @Grim Reaper got so far under his skin.
 
QP! said:
He always does.

@T. A. Gardner constantly argues AI and google can make mistakes and thus not using them and just using your own knowledge and backing that up with old school pre internet age data searches is superior. He does not understand humans also make mistakes that way and FAR MORE than if you aggregate data via Ai or google to inform your points before making them.

It is the same way he cites 'EV fires' as a reason to not drive EV's while ignoring that ICE vehicles catch fire more and kill more people.

It is a stupidity block he has where he does not realize pointing out a mistake or issue in one is only a good argument if the other option is better and they are NEVER are in what he says.
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I make mistakes too. You seem to orgasm whenever you can find an error I make.

It's like you citing something I didn't say as if I did, and then claiming I'm somehow stupid for doing it.
 
Ichabod Stain said:
74% of "COVID deaths" were from the vaccine.
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That claim is false. It’s a common misinformation narrative. Here’s a careful breakdown:


  1. COVID-19 death data:
    • COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are tracked by the CDC and state health departments. The vast majority of confirmed COVID-19 deaths were caused by the virus itself, not vaccines.
  2. Vaccine safety data:
    • COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Novavax) have undergone rigorous safety monitoring. Serious adverse events are extremely rare. Deaths directly caused by the vaccine are a tiny fraction of reported cases, far below 1% of total COVID-19 deaths.
  3. Misinterpretation of data:
    • Sometimes people confuse “deaths reported after vaccination” with “deaths caused by the vaccine.” Reporting systems like VAERS collect all post-vaccination events, but reports alone do not establish causation.

✅ Conclusion: There is no credible evidence that 74% of COVID-19 deaths were caused by vaccines. COVID-19 itself is responsible for the vast majority of deaths.
 
QP! said:
Cliffs :

- Kennedy lies about what two studies say by only quoting one part while ignoring the secondary parts that go against exactly what he is claiming. S
- Senator Dr Cassidy looks up studies and points out the KEY parts Kennedy ignores that CLEARLY refute what he says, citing the efficacy of vaccines.

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1. Claim by RFK Jr.​


  • RFK Jr. suggested that vaccines “haven’t really helped reduce mortality ever for any condition” and cited studies to support this.

2. Response by Senator Bill Cassidy​


  • Cassidy, a physician, examined the studies RFK cited.
  • One key point: early 20th-century reductions in overall mortality were largely due to improved sanitation, hygiene, clean water, and nutrition, not vaccines.
  • However, Cassidy emphasized that vaccines have drastically reduced deaths from specific infectious diseases.
    • Example: Measles before the vaccine caused ~3.5 million cases and ~550 deaths annually in the U.S.; after the vaccine, cases and deaths dropped to near zero.
  • Cassidy pointed out that some studies RFK cited predated vaccines entirely, so they couldn’t be used as evidence against vaccines’ effectiveness.

3. Fact-Check​


  • Mortality from infectious diseases: Vaccines have saved millions of lives since their introduction. Claims that vaccines “did nothing” for mortality are false and misleading.
  • Improved overall mortality in early 20th century: Mostly due to non-vaccine public health measures (sanitation, clean water, better nutrition).
  • Studies RFK Jr. cited: Partly accurate historically, but misapplied to argue vaccines had no impact.

✅ Conclusion​


  • Cassidy’s rebuttal aligns with mainstream public health data: vaccines are highly effective in preventing deaths from vaccine-preventable diseases.
  • RFK Jr.’s claim that vaccines “haven’t helped reduce mortality” is misleading because it cherry-picks data and ignores post-vaccine reductions in disease-specific mortality.
 
Grim Reaper said:
That claim is false. It’s a common misinformation narrative. Here’s a careful breakdown:


  1. COVID-19 death data:
    • COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are tracked by the CDC and state health departments. The vast majority of confirmed COVID-19 deaths were caused by the virus itself, not vaccines.
  2. Vaccine safety data:
    • COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Novavax) have undergone rigorous safety monitoring. Serious adverse events are extremely rare. Deaths directly caused by the vaccine are a tiny fraction of reported cases, far below 1% of total COVID-19 deaths.
  3. Misinterpretation of data:
    • Sometimes people confuse “deaths reported after vaccination” with “deaths caused by the vaccine.” Reporting systems like VAERS collect all post-vaccination events, but reports alone do not establish causation.

✅ Conclusion: There is no credible evidence that 74% of COVID-19 deaths were caused by vaccines. COVID-19 itself is responsible for the vast majority of deaths.
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all these arguments are bad and stupid.
 
Grim Reaper said:

1. Claim by RFK Jr.​


  • RFK Jr. suggested that vaccines “haven’t really helped reduce mortality ever for any condition” and cited studies to support this.

2. Response by Senator Bill Cassidy​


  • Cassidy, a physician, examined the studies RFK cited.
  • One key point: early 20th-century reductions in overall mortality were largely due to improved sanitation, hygiene, clean water, and nutrition, not vaccines.
  • However, Cassidy emphasized that vaccines have drastically reduced deaths from specific infectious diseases.
    • Example: Measles before the vaccine caused ~3.5 million cases and ~550 deaths annually in the U.S.; after the vaccine, cases and deaths dropped to near zero.
  • Cassidy pointed out that some studies RFK cited predated vaccines entirely, so they couldn’t be used as evidence against vaccines’ effectiveness.

3. Fact-Check​


  • Mortality from infectious diseases: Vaccines have saved millions of lives since their introduction. Claims that vaccines “did nothing” for mortality are false and misleading.
  • Improved overall mortality in early 20th century: Mostly due to non-vaccine public health measures (sanitation, clean water, better nutrition).
  • Studies RFK Jr. cited: Partly accurate historically, but misapplied to argue vaccines had no impact.

✅ Conclusion​


  • Cassidy’s rebuttal aligns with mainstream public health data: vaccines are highly effective in preventing deaths from vaccine-preventable diseases.
  • RFK Jr.’s claim that vaccines “haven’t helped reduce mortality” is misleading because it cherry-picks data and ignores post-vaccine reductions in disease-specific mortality.
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Censored Lancet paper republished finally peer-reviewed, showing that 74% of deaths after COVID-19 “vaccination” were caused by injections

A systematic review of autopsy findings in deaths following “vaccination” for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) that was censored by The Lancet has found new life in the journal Forensic Science International. Review co-author Dr. William Makis, M.D., announced on X that the formerly censored...
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A systematic review of autopsy findings in deaths following “vaccination” for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) that was censored by The Lancet has found new life in the journal Forensic Science International.

Review co-author Dr. William Makis, M.D., announced on X that the formerly censored paper has finally been peer reviewed and is now available for online viewing.

“We found that 73.9% of deaths were directly due to or significantly contributed to by COVID-19 vaccination,” Makis and his co-authors wrote. “Our data suggest a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccination and death.”
 
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