Reality check on electric cars
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Then you click on the dot, and it tells you how many chargers are there and what their levels are. My son laughs about how easy it is to get an electric car when you travel. The antis make it so easy.but... but @gfm7175 says we should use logic and not search engines or AI as those can make mistakes and obviously traveling by logic you never make a mistake.
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@gfm7175 wants to tell your kids to stop using those apps and use "logic" instead as apps can and do make occasional mistakes and he thinks logic does not want when traveling the country and looking for charging stations. of course the same gfm also argues it is not easy to find the charging stations, using logic, and thus EV's are not convenient.
@T. A. Gardner would tell your kids, they are not convenient for them as they will not find good charging options in certain routes where a town of 50 people is the only one for hours. Terry says because some people want to drive that route, and have every right to, then because an EV cannot do it easily therefore EV's are not good for anyone. He says that despite the FACT that the vast, VAST majority (seen estimates over 90%) of most people's every day driving is ideal for an EV as most people commute is work/home/outings in the city with occasional weekend getaways with drives of less than 4 hours in any one direction.
But because Terry can say 'if you drive this off road route you need an offroad vehicle and not a regular ICE sedan, therefore regular ICE sedans are not good for most people' he thinks that is a good argument.
Oh wait, Terry does not say about that limited ICE vehicle issue and only says that about EV's.
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and the charging Technology continues to improve, as all technologies do, making fueling times for EV's competitive with and even faster than fueling times with ICE....
...Both will be able to charge from 10-70% in just 5 minutes using the company’s latest Flash Charging technology, unveiled last month. 10-97% charging can be done is around 9 minutes....
BYD next generation Atto 3 unveiled with 5 minute flash charging
BYD has unveiled the latest version of its first EV in Australia, known here as the Atto 3, which will feature 5-minute flash charging,......Both will be able to charge from 10-70% in just 5 minutes using the company’s latest Flash Charging technology, unveiled last month. 10-97% charging can be done is around 9 minutes....
Man flies to China to put BYD's flash charging claims to the test
"As an American, this is frustrating to see."Geely Demonstrates Faster Charging Than BYD Flash: 10-70% SOC In 4.5 Minutes
Want 5-minute EV charging? Canada is getting a megawatt charger, too
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Meanwhile in America the Trump Admin continues to use taxpayer money to pay green energy projects to shut down to enrich the Oil and Gas companies and keep America locked in the past and to keep countries like Iran in a position of power via Oil and gas over reliance, in a world market.
Trump spent nearly $2 billion of taxpayer money to undo wind projects already underway.
Trump to pay more companies to abandon offshore wind and invest in fossil fuels
T. A. Gardner
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Far cheaper in the long run than continuing to endlessly subsidize solar and wind that isn't cost effective.Meanwhile in America the Trump Admin continues to use taxpayer money to pay green energy projects to shut down to enrich the Oil and Gas companies and keep America locked in the past and to keep countries like Iran in a position of power via Oil and gas over reliance, in a world market.
Trump spent nearly $2 billion of taxpayer money to undo wind projects already underway.
Trump to pay more companies to abandon offshore wind and invest in fossil fuels
If you are tractor pulling, you might prefer an ICE. You are making a specific, narrow circumstance where ICEs are better and extrapolating it to the whole. I gave you real-world use of EVs. My son has 2 EVs. I have a hybrid. If you drive less than 50 miles a day, and that is true for 90 percent of people, you will almost never use gas, with a hybrid. My car's computer forces me to drive on gas every few months because it gets stale in my tank.@gfm7175 wants to tell your kids to stop using those apps and use "logic" instead as apps can and do make occasional mistakes and he thinks logic does not want when traveling the country and looking for charging stations. of course the same gfm also argues it is not easy to find the charging stations, using logic, and thus EV's are not convenient.
@T. A. Gardner would tell your kids, they are not convenient for them as they will not find good charging options in certain routes where a town of 50 people is the only one for hours. Terry says because some people want to drive that route, and have every right to, then because an EV cannot do it easily therefore EV's are not good for anyone. He says that despite the FACT that the vast, VAST majority (seen estimates over 90%) of most people's every day driving is ideal for an EV as most people commute is work/home/outings in the city with occasional weekend getaways with drives of less than 4 hours in any one direction. car computer
But because Terry can say 'if you drive this off road route you need an offroad vehicle and not a regular ICE sedan, therefore regular ICE sedans are not good for most people' he thinks that is a good argument.
umsy-[tances where EVs are imperfect and translating it Oh wait, Terry does not say about that limited ICE vehicle issue and only says that about EV's.
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Yup @T. A. Gardner repeats versions of the same stupid argument which is 'if I can name a situation in which EVs are not ideal... that then means they are not good for anyone yet'.
Fact is for 90+ % of the population EVs would be fine. And he knows it which is why he pushes extreme examples to try and discredit them.
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If I'm carrying half-a-ton of tools and building supplies, I'd prefer an ICE. The Cybertruck is unsuitable to that. EV's might be a reasonable choice for someone living in an urban area that rarely, if ever, carries any sort of bulky or heavy load, never tows a trailer, never goes off road, and rarely if ever leaves an urban area.
If you do any or many of those things, an EV isn't for you.
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The fact that American market is protected from the good cheap EV's from China has a lot to do with it.....we get some combo of expensive and shit.
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There's a pretty good set of reasons...
'Not durable and tough': ACCC alleges LDV misled buyers with 'durable and tough' claims of LDV T60 ute and G10 delivery van - Car News
Chinese commercial vehicle brand LDV is being taken to court by Australia’s competition and consumer watchdog over claims its cars are not reliable or tough. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) today issued a media release detailing its claims against LDV which is...
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The truth about the BYD Atto 3 EV rust problem
The internet is having a meltdown at the news of rusty BYD Atto 3 electric cars out there on the roads. So how bad is this corrosion? Should you scrub the brand from your shortlist?
autoexpert.com.au
Chinese vehicles might be cheap, but they make a Yugo look like a Toyota when it comes to quality and reliability.
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FANTASY.There's a pretty good set of reasons...
'Not durable and tough': ACCC alleges LDV misled buyers with 'durable and tough' claims of LDV T60 ute and G10 delivery van - Car News
Chinese commercial vehicle brand LDV is being taken to court by Australia’s competition and consumer watchdog over claims its cars are not reliable or tough. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) today issued a media release detailing its claims against LDV which is...
The truth about the BYD Atto 3 EV rust problem
The internet is having a meltdown at the news of rusty BYD Atto 3 electric cars out there on the roads. So how bad is this corrosion? Should you scrub the brand from your shortlist?
Chinese vehicles might be cheap, but they make a Yugo look like a Toyota when it comes to quality and reliability.
T. A. Gardner
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Electric pickup trucks are more reliable than their ICE counterparts: analysts
Electric pickup trucks are built to efficiently lug heavier weights such as towing or pulling a trailer, similar to gas-powered ones.Michael Laroche replaced his Ford F-150 pickup truck with its electric twin, the F-150 Lightning, about a year-and-a-half ago.
A Sherbrooke, Que., resident who installs electric vehicle chargers for a living, Laroche says he drives somewhere between 300 and 400 kilometres a day, three to four times a week. After he replaced the combustion-engine pickup with the electric alternative, he says the cost of his operations has dropped significantly.
“I’m charging the truck during the night, for something like 14 to 15 hours to fully charge the truck, and I’m ready to go,” Laroche said in an interview.
He said his monthly electric bill, which includes both household consumption and vehicle charging, is now at $350 on average for the last 15 months. The bill may be costly, but a better alternative when compared with Laroche’s $450 a week on gasoline — saving him $1,400 a month in fuel costs....
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Less than result from the heavily subsidized ICE market which is subsidized at almost every level, from the fuel to the vehicles.
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Yup.
Tesla is dead as a car company and that is why Elon is pivoting to 'robots and AI', and rolling all his companies into one, to try and preserve the ridiculous Tesla share price on the NEXT BIG THING, he will not win on.
Elon is a master promoter and brilliant at seeing where the money is going and putting a company in the way of that but his ability to operate is more and more in question. To be fair, Space X and his satellite company seem solid for now, but so did tesla at its early years.