We need better gun reform: 23 shot at Oklahoma lake party

[Jake Starkey]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

 

[Into the Night]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

Machine guns were around invented about eight years before the founding of the United States, Stooge.
Again, you have demonstrated your own hatred for the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

The solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Shoot back.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Seems it was:

Black on Black violence
Gang related
At a party that was unsanctioned / permitted
Had underage drinking and drug use going on.

I don't think the Founders foresaw a serious subculture forming in the US. There have been a few now, and the only one that seems permanent is Blacks.

 

[Yakuda]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

Specifically what does "better gun reform" mean?

 

[countryboy]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

Here's the plan. Lock up criminals. Stop cashless bail, get tough on violent crime. Impeach judges who allow violent criminals back on the street. Build more prisons.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Here's the plan. Lock up criminals. Stop cashless bail, get tough on violent crime. Impeach judges who allow violent criminals back on the street. Build more prisons.

And do not allow hood and 'holler rats access to guns.

 

[countryboy]

And do not allow hood and 'holler rats access to guns.

It's impossible to access guns while in prison.

Still pushing that both sides nonsense?

 

[Jake Starkey]

White trash meth heads are the same as hood gun trash.

 

[CasualLurker]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

Oklahoma is the wild west. Aren't gun fights a way of life there?

 

[Yakuda]

White trash meth heads are the same as hood gun trash.

Only when killing people with guns

 

[Yakuda]

Oklahoma is the wild west. Aren't gun fights a way of life there?

Oh brother

 

[Walt]

Machine guns were around invented about eight years before the founding of the United States, Stooge.

You are absolutely wrong.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

23? Incredible.

"At least 23 people were injured after gunfire erupted at an Oklahoma lake party – the latest in a trio of shootings involving teens or young adults over the weekend across the US. The chaos unfolded around 9 p.m. at a campground near Arcadia Lake, about 13 miles north of Oklahoma City, Edmond police spokesperson Emily Ward said. The victims suffered injuries “ranging in severity, including gunshot wounds,” Edmond police said in an update Monday. A local health system said 13 people were hospitalized Sunday."

The attack is among more than 130 US mass shootings with four or more victims this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. "Gunfire has killed at least 278 youths ages 12 to 17 so far this year, with another 796 injured, according to GVA."

I don't think the Founders foresaw rapid mass fire weapons. And, if they did, they would not have been worried so much about "infringement" of gun rights.

Give me a plan that protects public safety and protects sensible gun owner rights. I own handguns and long arms, so I am concerned about safety as well as ownership.

Story by Hanna Park, Holly Yan, CNN www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mass-shooting-at-oklahoma-lake-party-injures-23-the-latest-in-a-rash-of-shootings-at-youth-parties/ar-AA22kg92​

This thread ought to bring out the MAGATs and gunhumpers swarming out of their crevices. Countdown till one of them says "Chicago" -- 4...3...2...1...

ETA: I was only partially correct. It also flushed out some of our finest racists.

 

[Lionfish]

Oklahoma is the wild west. Aren't gun fights a way of life there?

Gun fights are mostly a gang problem, and liberal judges see little or no reason to lock the offenders up for a long time. The solution is simple.
Commit a crime with a gun,
Five years of mandatory prison before any judge is allowed to pronounce any additional sentence.
BTW, 'new guy', most of the gun-related shootings are not in southern states.

 

[Jake Starkey]

I queried ChatAI if most mass shootings in the USA in Republican or Democratic controlled states?​

​

1. There is no authoritative dataset that categorizes mass shootings by state political control.​

Newsweek’s analysis emphasizes that claims linking mass‑shooting frequency to “Democratic” or “Republican” states lack sufficient evidence because:

• states change party control over time
• mass shootings cluster in cities, not states
• political control is not a stable or clean variable
• mass‑shooting databases do not track state partisanship

In other words, no major dataset directly supports the claim that mass shootings are more common in either Republican‑ or Democratic‑controlled states.

2. Mass shootings occur across the entire country, with no clear partisan pattern.​

The Statista dataset shows mass shootings distributed widely across states, with high‑population states (California, Texas, Florida, Illinois) showing the most incidents. These states include both Democratic and Republican governance.

Population size, urbanization, and firearm availability correlate more strongly with mass‑shooting frequency than state political control.

3. Claims that “Democratic states have more shootings” or “Republican states have more shootings” are oversimplifications.​

Newsweek’s review of the data concludes that partisan claims about which states have more shootings “lack crucial context” and cannot be supported without distorting the underlying statistics.

This means:

• Democratic‑led states often have large urban centers where gun violence is concentrated.
• Republican‑led states often have higher per‑capita gun death rates overall (homicide + suicide), but not necessarily more mass shootings.

Neither pattern cleanly maps onto “most mass shootings happen in X‑controlled states.”

4. What ​

While not about state control, research consistently shows that right‑wing extremist violence has been more deadly in recent years than left‑wing extremist violence. This is a different issue from general mass shootings, but it often gets conflated in political discussions.

Bottom line​

• There is no credible evidence that most mass shootings occur in Republican‑controlled states.
• There is also no credible evidence that they occur primarily in Democratic‑controlled states.
• The strongest predictors of mass‑shooting frequency are population size, urban density, and local gun‑violence patterns, not state partisanship.

 

[countryboy]

I queried ChatAI if most mass shootings in the USA in Republican or Democratic controlled states?​

​

1. There is no authoritative dataset that categorizes mass shootings by state political control.​

Newsweek’s analysis emphasizes that claims linking mass‑shooting frequency to “Democratic” or “Republican” states lack sufficient evidence because:

• states change party control over time
• mass shootings cluster in cities, not states
• political control is not a stable or clean variable
• mass‑shooting databases do not track state partisanship

In other words, no major dataset directly supports the claim that mass shootings are more common in either Republican‑ or Democratic‑controlled states.

2. Mass shootings occur across the entire country, with no clear partisan pattern.​

The Statista dataset shows mass shootings distributed widely across states, with high‑population states (California, Texas, Florida, Illinois) showing the most incidents. These states include both Democratic and Republican governance.

Population size, urbanization, and firearm availability correlate more strongly with mass‑shooting frequency than state political control.

3. Claims that “Democratic states have more shootings” or “Republican states have more shootings” are oversimplifications.​

Newsweek’s review of the data concludes that partisan claims about which states have more shootings “lack crucial context” and cannot be supported without distorting the underlying statistics.

This means:

• Democratic‑led states often have large urban centers where gun violence is concentrated.
• Republican‑led states often have higher per‑capita gun death rates overall (homicide + suicide), but not necessarily more mass shootings.

Neither pattern cleanly maps onto “most mass shootings happen in X‑controlled states.”

4. What ​

While not about state control, research consistently shows that right‑wing extremist violence has been more deadly in recent years than left‑wing extremist violence. This is a different issue from general mass shootings, but it often gets conflated in political discussions.

Bottom line​

• There is no credible evidence that most mass shootings occur in Republican‑controlled states.
• There is also no credible evidence that they occur primarily in Democratic‑controlled states.
• The strongest predictors of mass‑shooting frequency are population size, urban density, and local gun‑violence patterns, not state partisanship.

Dishonest nonsense. Now let's see a breakdown of which cities have the most shootings, and which party governs them.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Dishonest nonsense. Now let's see a breakdown of which cities have the most shootings, and which party governs them.

Dishonest is shifting the argument.

These mass shootings are in all states and communities.

I knew a story of the northern boy who moved to Paducah, and the kids there made fun of him. He said, "I hate you," which the kids should have taken as a mortal warning.

Several were shot and died.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Dishonest nonsense. Now let's see a breakdown of which cities have the most shootings, and which party governs them.

City-Level Gun Violence Patterns​

City (2024 data)	Approx. shootings per year	Mayor’s party affiliation	Context
Chicago, IL	~2,800 shootings	Democratic	Large population, concentrated poverty, gang activity.
Philadelphia, PA	~1,500	Democratic	High density, long-term gun trafficking issues.
Houston, TX	~1,200	Democratic (since 2016)	Urban sprawl, firearm prevalence, state-level lax gun laws.
Dallas, TX	~800	Democratic	Similar to Houston; state-level gun access drives numbers.
St. Louis, MO	~600	Democratic	Small city, very high per-capita rate.
Memphis, TN	~600	Democratic	High poverty and firearm ownership rates.
Indianapolis, IN	~500	Republican	Illustrates that violence is not exclusive to Democratic governance.

Key Takeaways​

• Urbanization, poverty, and gun availability are the dominant predictors — not party affiliation.
• Most large U.S. cities lean Democratic, so raw counts naturally skew that way, but per-capita rates vary widely.
• Republican-led states often have higher overall gun death rates (including suicides), while Democratic-led states have higher urban homicide concentrations.
• No credible dataset shows a causal link between party control and mass-shooting frequency.

Bias Check​

Countryboy’s rebuttal (“Dishonest nonsense”) reflects motivated reasoning — rejecting data that doesn’t fit a partisan narrative. Jake Starkey’s summary aligns with nonpartisan sources like Newsweek, Statista, and Gun Violence Archive, which emphasize complex causality rather than party blame.

Bottom Line​

Gun violence is a socioeconomic and cultural issue, not a partisan one. Cities with Democratic mayors dominate shooting statistics because most major U.S. cities are Democratic, not because of their policies. When adjusted for population and firearm density, no consistent partisan pattern emerges.

 

[countryboy]

Dishonest is shifting the argument.

These mass shootings are in all states and communities.

Okay, then show us a breakdown by city.

I knew a story of the northern boy who moved to Paducah, and the kids there made fun of him. He said, "I hate you," which the kids should have taken as a mortal warning.

Several were shot and died.

Cool story bro.

 

[Into the Night]

Specifically what does "better gun reform" mean?

Better aim.