DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Why do you think they hate Israel so much? Why do you think they hate Christians having a presence in the Mid-East? Do you honestly think its something else besides their religion?
a proposed building worth protesting
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And all Muslims recognize him as their leader, and are part of the "Muslim jihad"?
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The Almighty
Again.... you will have to ask the 61% of New Yorkers who feel this way. My guess is you are going to get a wide variety of reasons. My GUESS is that most of them just don't want a mosque near 9/11 because of that was the religion the hijackers claimed to be a part of and psychologically it has some sort of impact on them. Again, this is a GUESS. I do not know as I do not share that particular view/sentiment/feelings. But I also do not live in NY and it may be hitting them differently than me.
Because of that, I am not going to be an over the top moron like Cypress who proclaims EVERYONE who disagrees with the location a bigot. I think that suggestion is quite absurd and just another example of how much the far left morons like to inflame issues. It is NOT as black and white as the idiots on the left want people to think.
Do you deny there are psychological implications that may be factoring in to the FACT that such a majority don't want the mosque at that location? Or do you truly feel it is all due to bigotry?
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The Almighty
and YOU are branding anyone who disagrees with the sites location a bigot.
So tell us how your generalization is any better...
Again, that's why I'm asking. I said I wasn't trying to be a smartass, and I meant it. I have followed this story very closely & have seen a lot of opinions - in the news, on this board & where I live and work. I have yet to hear one argument that I would characterize as unprejudiced against Islam.
You can call it what you want - like I said, I tend to reserve "bigot" for real overt haters, and have tended toward "prejudice," but ultimately, they're the same thing. The percentages mean nothing to me; most Americans supported Japanese internment at that time, as well.
But why avoid calling it what it is? If you can't think of a good non-prejudiced argument for opposing the mosque, I'd say that increases the chances that there isn't one. I tried, and I couldn't think of one. More importantly, as big as this issue is, I certainly haven't heard one, from anyone.
Yes, people have a right to their opinion, but I'm not going to shy away from calling that opinion for what it is.
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The Almighty
AGAIN.... AND DO TRY TO PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME.
You keep asking for a 'good' reason.... I keep providing you with that good reason and you keep ignoring it.
Just admit you WANT to proclaim it as racism/bigotry and be done with it. I in turn will lump you into the moronic category with Cypress and the other idiots who think it MUST be that because YOU think so.
Of course there couldn't be any psychological reasons behind the sentiment due to 9/11. It MUST just be that they are all racists/bigots etc...
Understood... NYC is full of racists. Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.
cawacko
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That's pretty much your answer right there onceler. You don't have to agree with it but unless you are calling over half of New Yorkers bigots that is your most likely answer for why they feel like they do.
Guys - I'm just asking you to think here. What you're saying is that most people who oppose the mosque (if not all) are basically saying "I feel a certain way about Muslims and Islam now because of what happened on 9/11."
I'm just calling that what it is. Are you afraid to? What is that if not prejudice?
I'm just calling that what it is. Are you afraid to? What is that if not prejudice?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I call it the survival instinct.
cawacko
Well-known member
Within the definition of prejudice states 'an irrational attitude of hostility directed at a group'. Now other definitions of prejudices would fit the descritpion of the New Yorkers but in this one do you consider their reaction based on 9/11 irrational?
And the fact that you say prejudice and bigot are close to being the same is what makes your prejudice term have trouble flying with me.
By the very definition you posted, the answer is a resounding YES.
Is it rational to stereotype about an entire group of people (and a huge group at that), based on the actions of a fanatical few?
What would you say if someone protested the building of a male-owned business there? (because, you know - the hijackers were male, after all)
cawacko
Well-known member
You know what, I was wrong. We already know New Yorkers (and almost all East Coasters) are *ssholes. It is not surprising that they are prejudicial bigots as well.
It seems popular to want to put down the South but here we have another example of racism and bigotry by the Northeast.
No way, dude - as Hannity says, the greatest city in the world! As Huey Lewis says, where else can you do a half a million things at a quarter to three?
26 World Series titles, going on 27 (or is that 27 going on 28? I lose count sometimes....)
cawacko
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F*ck You!
Yankees are finishing off sweeping the A's in four games as we speak. Hannity would be a great selling point against NY. That guy is a total East Coast a*hole. The whole East Coast media bias to boot...
Heuy Lewis is California through and through.
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The Almighty
the point you are too slow to grasp is that they are NOT saying 'I don't feel comfortable around Muslims and I don't think any mosques should be built anywhere'
They are saying 'It just doesn't feel right to have a large mosque built so close to where Islamic radicals murdered so many Americans in the name of their religion, could you please move the mosque to a site further away'
You continue to imply that they are "feeling" certain ways about ALL Muslims in ALL locations... which is nothing short of projected bullshit.
To me, the one is just an extension of the other. The way you phrased it is a candycoated version of what it means. How are you missing that?
It's an uncomfortable topic. Frankly, I think most people are prejudiced against religion and/or color to a certain extent, and I would include myself in that group. I think very few go through life in an unprejudiced way.
But let's not do cartwheels to prevent calling it for what it is.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yea well we call it cowardice chicken man.
And Freak, I would add that I have heard very few - in the media, in Congress, wherever - who have phrased their opposition as innocuously as you have characterized it.
Most of the arguments I have heard have slipped in something along the lines of "they attacked us on 9/11," or "their goal is to subjugate us," or "they all believe in jihad." Us vs. them. Americans vs. Muslims.
Most of the arguments I have heard have slipped in something along the lines of "they attacked us on 9/11," or "their goal is to subjugate us," or "they all believe in jihad." Us vs. them. Americans vs. Muslims.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Having been to Manhattan post 911 I can assure you they they could give a flying fuck less what some redneck in Alabama thinks about what they do in their city. I can assure you that if Dixie or SM tried spouting their niave line of bullshit in Manhattan they'd be told to STFU and mind their own freaken business in a New York minute.
cawacko
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New Yorkers don't give a sh*t what anyone thinks. They are the most selfish arrogant bastards in our country (well tied with the people from Boston and Conneticut). I said people want to rip on the South and this is another example of biggotry in the Northeast.
I never said they would care what someone from Alabama would say.