DamnYankee
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Funny how both libtards immediately attacked the messenger then were slam-dunked by Pendergast. Nice job Tom. 
Emeritus Professor of Physics resigns over AGW FRAUD!
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Bfgrn
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Thank you for proving my point.
“Climategate”
Hacked e-mails show climate scientists in a bad light but don't change scientific consensus on global warming.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Bfgrn... there is not a debate over whether temperatures are rising. Earth has had warming and cooling cycles as long as it has existed... we already knew this. The question has always been, whether or not MAN is causing the current warming.... NO DATA EXISTS TO SHOW THAT TO BE THE CASE!!!!
There really is no way to prove it one way or the other. The data that you speak of can't really exist.
So how's about we move away from fossil fuels anyway, for the simple reason that they suck, pollute & compromise our national security, as well as the fact that moving to domestic technologies will be better for our economy?
That probably makes way too much sense.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You know, I have always said that America could pioneer viable alternative fuels, and lead the way for the rest of the world with their technological prowess. I still believe this is possible, but we have to come to some kind of consensus on what that fuel is, whether it's biodiesel or hydrogen, or something else. Otherwise, we are chasing our tails, like we're doing now. Everyone with a different opinion on which way to go... liberals and conservatives disagreeing just to disagree... politicians playing politics... lobby's playing lobbyist games... charlatans being charlatans... crooks being crooks. I have no problems with, once we establish a plan, implementing the plan and making it happen... I think that is a great idea, but we're not there yet, we don't have a plan... just a gazillion ideas for plans. Now, if we were fat and happy, wealthy beyond our wildest dreams, we might could afford to explore all these various avenues and just let the 'free market' determine our course in due time, but we're not... we are essentially broke.
Until we can get our shit together and come up with a plan, we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil by drilling domestically, and stop being such fuckwits about ANWR and other places, where we have an ample supply of oil. Here's an idea, open up these "off limits" places for exploration, and apply a 10% surcharge on the profits, to be used expressly for the purpose of R&D on alternative fuels.
No, that makes too much sense too, doesn't it?
You're looking at it the wrong way. It's not "hydrothermal is going to replace oil," or "wind is going to replace oil," or any one source. It's "hydrothermal, wind, solar, tidal, et al." are going to replace oil. There is no reason to "choose," and no one source probably could replace oil in the next few decades.
Google just put $5 billion into wind energy on the eastern seaboard, which they are forecasting can one day meet HALF of that area's energy needs, which is pretty incredible. But other sources will have to step up their game to meet the other half.
I'm all in on ANWR & offshore drilling & whatever else, but realize that those are just stop-gap measures. They're not part of a comprehensive strategy for our future energy needs; they're really just a band aid. They won't make a very meaningful difference in our dependence on foreign sources. But sign me up; I'm totally cool w/ that.
Bfgrn
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This brings to mind a conversation President Kennedy had with Kenny O'Donnell during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The military and the joint Chiefs were pushing hard for an invasion of Cuba and trying to instigate a war with the Soviet Union. After a long day of volatile events and tense negotiations the President said to O'Donnell 'You know Kenny, one thing about the brass's solution to every problem, if their plans fail there will no one left to tell them they were wrong.'
There is a consensus; 98% of the research climatologists in the world say that global warming is real, that it is caused by us, that it is happening now and it's impacts will be catastrophic.
There are 2% that disagree with that. Much of that 2% are paid for by Exxon Mobil and carbon cronies that are the biggest polluters on the planet.
If you believe the 98% and we go ahead and try to reduce our carbon; we've gotten rid of a dirty fuel, we've made ourselves energy independent, we've improved our national security, we've improved the prosperity, quality of life and health for American citizens.
If we go with the 2% and they are wrong, the whole of civilization is destroyed.
So WHO is the pinhead Dix?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Yes, we really do need to settle on a single alternative, at least as far as powering transportation goes. We can't have 20 different kinds of fueling stations out there, it makes no sense... it would just be impractical and cumbersome, and the consumer wouldn't ever catch on.... I'll just stick with my gas powered car, rather than having to make a choice... As for electric power, nothing beats nuclear... wind and solar are nice, they make us feel all eco-friendly, but there are major pitfalls to both, and neither are as efficient as what we're doing now. If we are going to make a change, it needs to be for the BETTER.
Let's understand something else, there will probably always be a need for fossil fuels... at least for the remainder of our lifetime, probably for the lifetime of anyone living today on Earth. Perhaps one day, some genius who hasn't been born yet, will find a way to replace oil with something else, but until that happens, we need oil for a variety of things besides gasoline and diesel fuel.
As for our dependence on foreign oil... the vast majority of "foreign" oil comes from Canada... I can live with that foreign source, Mexico as well... it's the Arab countries I have a problem with, and Venezuela. There is enough shale oil underneath Oklahoma to replace what we buy from the Saudi's, not to mention what's in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of California and ANWR. I believe we could ELIMINATE foreign oil supplies from OPEC nations, if we set our minds to it... problem is on YOUR side, nitwits who want to fight every effort to do so and bitch about the greedy oil companies.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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There is not 98% consensus, no matter how much you repeat that lie. There is not one single solitary climatologist or scientist who can say without any shadow of a doubt, they know for certain that man is causing global warming. That's just not the case here, and you continuing to insist it's the case, is not helping you. There are a good many climatologists who THINK that MIGHT be the case... they are not certain! Many of those climatologists, based their opinion on data that has been rebuked as fraudulent. But you are still parading around with it, like it's the Gospel of Jesus or something.
You're the pinhead, clearly!
Bfgrn
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Yet your 2% can say without a shadow of a doubt that the planet is not warming and that man's activities are not causing it?
WHO is the pinhead Dix?
Bfgrn
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What you need to learn is how a free market is supposed to work. You like to throw around words like pinhead and socialist. The real irony is; you are the socialist. You falsely believe there is only one form of socialism; the poor taking from the rich. But in a TRUE free market you cannot get rich by making other people poor.
"We didn't inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."
Lakota Sioux Proverb
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Nope, I did not make a claim about percentages, you did... PINHEAD!
Now you want to run flip the coin over, and pretend I said the opposite of what you said in your glorious idiocy. I am not a fucking idiot like you, I don't make those kind of definitive statements I can't back up, that's what retard idiots like YOU do!
The Earth warms and cools in cycles, it's done it for billions of years, sometimes to very extreme degrees... but you know what is truly AMAZING? Life continued to flourish, adapt and thrive... the cyclical changes didn't wipe out everything, didn't cause all the sea life to die and our oceans to turn stagnant, or any of the other fear and paranoia you and your idiot ilk are trying to churn up with this stupidity.
No scientist, physicist, or climatologist, can say with absolute certainty, that man is causing ANY global warming. They had a bunch of theories and ideas that this MIGHT be happening, but the data is unclear, and does not seem to indicate any effect from activities of mankind. The data that seemed to show some kind of connection, was fraudulent, manipulated to make it appear that way, because charlatans have billions of dollars at stake in this fraud and hoax, and you are so far up their goddamn asses, you can't see how you've been duped. You're just another fucking idiot, fooled by people smarter than you, used as a pawn in their little scam, and you can't bear to admit that, so you'll go to your grave defending the indefensible, sounding like the moron you are. The rest of the world is LAUGHING at what a fool you are, did you realize that?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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And you need to learn ANYTHING... I don't care what... ANYTHING is better than what you currently know! What I know is, there is one kind of fucking idiot, and that is YOU!
Bfgrn
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Yes Dixie, you're right; 'the Earth warms and cools in cycles, it's done it for billions of years, sometimes to very extreme degrees'. BUT, the one thing that was missing during those extremes: HUMAN LIFE. The planet will continue to survive, with or without US.
The data is clear and the evidence has been building, not diminishing. This has been the warmest decade on record and the earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years. The consensus is not in doubt. You and I can haggle over whether the consensus is at 98/2 or 97/3 etc, by it is a consensus and the percentage is overwhelming of research climatologists in the world who say that global warming is real, that it is caused by us, that it is happening now and it's impacts will be catastrophic.
The 'charlatans (that) have billions of dollars at stake' of which you speak are not the scientists who would have a job with or without global warming. The 'charlatans (that) have billions of dollars at stake' are the corporations and mining cartels that have billions of dollars to loose if we move away from their carbon based products. These same corporations and mining cartels have funded a whole industry of climate change deniers and fraudulent science. My God Dixie, how can anyone be so naive to not understand power and money.
Your OP brings to light the so called 'Climategate' e-mails. The hacked UEA e-mails don't change scientific consensus on global warming. (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/) And the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (UEA) is not the lone source of data. The data from other, independent research supports the consensus. Like the USA’s National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years
The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.
Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.
“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html
I love how the warmers go to their worn out graphics.
We get it. Infared waves are reflected back off the planet and re-reflected off CO2. The problem you morons have is that the effect doesn't increase in a linear fashion. We're already at the CO2 concentration were the effect of increases is moot.
It's only poor students of statistics who are fooled by this clearly obvious problem with AGW
We get it. Infared waves are reflected back off the planet and re-reflected off CO2. The problem you morons have is that the effect doesn't increase in a linear fashion. We're already at the CO2 concentration were the effect of increases is moot.
It's only poor students of statistics who are fooled by this clearly obvious problem with AGW
Bfgrn
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The 'worn out graphics' come from REAL climatologists and REAL scientists. I love how the flat-earthers claim THEY are suddenly climatologists and scientists after reading a few web articles from an echo chamber funded by Exxon Mobil and and carbon cronies that are the biggest polluters on the planet and watching Faux News...
Real firmness is good for anything; strut is good for nothing.
Alexander Hamilton
christiefan915
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Bfgrn
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Are you a research climatologist tinfoil? If NOT, then all you are doing is what's called emoting...
christiefan915
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What an imagination....you pinheads just make shit up right and left if you don't like the facts....typical....
You might just try writing a long fiction novel with an imagination like you have....you can ignore the truth there too....
I suspect any of these types of "all or nothing" articles.
Lewis's letter isn't going to sway me in either direction because it's one man's opinion only.