Obamacare update: Regence Blue Shield customers notified of skyrocketing rates

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http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/heal...care-premiums-slam-consumers-small-businesses


Health care premiums were going up long before the healthcare bill was thought of.


I guess the bill did not go far enough huh?

All the health care bill did was ensure that costs would continue to rise.

It was SUPPOSED to address COSTS... THAT IS THE REFORM people wanted.

Instead, Obama tried to force feed us a load of crap. Which is one of the reasons Dems are going to lose the House.

 

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True. Because he gets a profit he must be raping them.

Of course... profits = rape

 

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you do realize you only posted the opinion of the insurance commissioner...he even stated he is waiting for them to file proof which they have not done yet....

so...not sure how someone's opinion who is not connected to the company makes someone esle a liar...

Of course you don't...

tinfoil is a liar for DELIBERATELY claiming the insurance company was raising rates BECAUSE of Health Care reform...which the article CLEARLY shows isn't the true reason rates are going up.

 

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Of course you don't...

tinfoil is a liar for DELIBERATELY claiming the insurance company was raising rates BECAUSE of Health Care reform...which the article CLEARLY shows isn't the true reason rates are going up.

Are you prepping for the non-stop whining you will be doing in PM's to the moderators all day again, you big ol whiny-a$$ed girl?

Hitch your bloomers up honey, wipe your quivering chin(s), and you GO GIRL!!

 

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All the health care bill did was ensure that costs would continue to rise.

It was SUPPOSED to address COSTS... THAT IS THE REFORM people wanted.

Instead, Obama tried to force feed us a load of crap. Which is one of the reasons Dems are going to lose the House.

Yeah, and we all know how often the insurance industry kept costs level or actually lowered the cost of premiums over the past decade.

Rates were pretty much assured of rising every year EVEN BEFORE the HCB passed.

 

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Are you prepping for the non-stop whining you will be doing in PM's to the moderators all day again, you big ol whiny-a$$ed girl?

Hitch your bloomers up honey, wipe your quivering chin(s), and you GO GIRL!!

Well you gotta give him kudos for his blatant hypocrisy calling someone else a liar~

 

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Right. Fargle Bargle. Got it. And calling it "insurance" when the premiums are far more than I pay for simple doctor visits is ridiculous. We pre-pay for every part of the care and more. Insurance helps me to cover crap that would burden me financially. This would be like buying "insurance" on your vehicle that paid for your oil changes. It would be exceedingly costly because you would be pre-paying for all those regular services and it would cost far more than you needed or would ever receive from your "coverage". It is stupid to constantly cover people who do not need it, and it is cost ineffective. Forcing me, literally, through the force of government to purchase unnecessary products that burden me financially is both wrong, and unconstitutional. Even if you say "fargle bargle"...

I say Fargle Bargle because I've been down this road before. You will continually insist that it's unconstitutional and I'll continually insist that it isn't. That's not my idea of a good time.

You just ignored what I wrote and decided to hop up there on your soap box. Enjoy.

By the way, do you support the reforms relating to pre-existing conditions, rescissions and the like?

 

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All the health care bill did was ensure that costs would continue to rise.

It was SUPPOSED to address COSTS... THAT IS THE REFORM people wanted.

Instead, Obama tried to force feed us a load of crap. Which is one of the reasons Dems are going to lose the House.

They should have done the public option along with these reforms.

The insurance companies are now acting like the same old greed mongers so now maybe congress will have the guts to revive the PO.

 

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Yeah, and we all know how often the insurance industry kept costs level or actually lowered the cost of premiums over the past decade.

Rates were pretty much assured of rising every year EVEN BEFORE the HCB passed.

yes... which is what I stated... the Health reform people wanted was something that would help REDUCE the costs of premiums. Instead we got a bill that will INCREASE them even further.

 

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They should have done the public option along with these reforms.

The insurance companies are now acting like the same old greed mongers so now maybe congress will have the guts to revive the PO.

The public option would have done NOTHING to lower costs.

Again, your husband is a greed monger and is raping his customers.

You are a greed monger and raping those who rent homes from you

 

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The public option would have done NOTHING to lower costs.

That's just not true. I would give you the relevant CBO studies if I thought they mattered to you. Of course, you probably have some totally awesome survey of heath insurance industry executives that refutes the assessment of the government bean counters in any event.

 

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Your husband rapes his customers.

Come on, rape is not a great metaphor.

Our health care system is for profit. It's an insurance company's job to make profits. The less claims they pay out on, the more money they make. This is capitalism 101.

And that's the problem with our health care system, and it's why as of 2010 the US ranked 49th for life expectancy among industrialized nations, and a new congressional study showed that in this country the number of people denied medical coverage because of preexisting conditions has grown by nearly half. Over The last three years the four top for-profit insurers—Aetna, Humana, UnitedHealth Group and WellPoint—have denied coverage to 49 percent more people because of medical history. Over 257,000 people were denied last year, compared to 172,000 in 2007. All four companies followed a policy of considering pregnancy a pre-existing condition leading to an automatic denial of coverage.

We're talking about human life. Anyone can go through a period where they don't have coverage. It's just no way to run things.

 

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The public option would have done NOTHING to lower costs.

Again, your husband is a greed monger and is raping his customers.

You are a greed monger and raping those who rent homes from you

You're acting as if you own an insurance company and this is a personal attack on you.

 

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The public option would have done NOTHING to lower costs.

Again, your husband is a greed monger and is raping his customers.

You are a greed monger and raping those who rent homes from you

Making a profit off of supplying someone who desires a product and facilitaing them in procuring the products they need at a rate that allows them to make a decent profit is not rape.

Taking premiums from people and then kicking them off when they need the service provided is rape.

 

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Come on, rape is not a great metaphor.

Then you need to take that up with Desh. It was her description that I was using back on her.

Our health care system is for profit. It's an insurance company's job to make profits. The less claims they pay out on, the more money they make. This is capitalism 101.

Most of it is indeed for profit now. Though until 2004 the largest (BCBS) was a non-profit. Yet health care costs continued to escalate before 2004.

If insurance companies were making profit margins well above other sectors of the market, I would agree that it is a problem. But that is NOT what is causing our health care costs to be substantially higher per capita than other countries. If you look as a percent of GDP... how much does the US spend vs other countries?

And that's the problem with our health care system, and it's why as of 2010 the US ranked 49th for life expectancy among industrialized nations

This is such a tired bogus example. Again, if life expectancy was calculated in the same manner in every country and we were still 49th, you might have a point. But they are not calculated in the same manner.

a new congressional study showed that in this country the number of people denied medical coverage because of preexisting conditions has grown by nearly half.

I would like to see what coverage was being denied, but regardless, we can establish a system for those that can't get private coverage. We do NOT need to force everyone into a single pay or government program.

 

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They sold a service to their customers and then would pull out on their side of the bargain whenever they could.

 

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You're acting as if you own an insurance company and this is a personal attack on you.

No, I just don't know what company her husband works for. If I did, I would use that company as the example. As for her, I know she does not work, but does have rental properties.

The point remains, if she is profiting from it, then what is HER profit margin? Is she gouging people? Is she making more than 7.5% profit?

If her renters stop paying rent.... what would she do? Let them live there indefinitely without paying?

 

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Making a profit off of supplying someone who desires a product and facilitaing them in procuring the products they need at a rate that allows them to make a decent profit is not rape.

Taking premiums from people and then kicking them off when they need the service provided is rape.

right.... what is YOUR profit margin Desh?

 

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I have stated MANY times I rent below market.

 

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Then you need to take that up with Desh. It was her description that I was using back on her.



Most of it is indeed for profit now. Though until 2004 the largest (BCBS) was a non-profit. Yet health care costs continued to escalate before 2004.

If insurance companies were making profit margins well above other sectors of the market, I would agree that it is a problem. But that is NOT what is causing our health care costs to be substantially higher per capita than other countries. If you look as a percent of GDP... how much does the US spend vs other countries?



This is such a tired bogus example. Again, if life expectancy was calculated in the same manner in every country and we were still 49th, you might have a point. But they are not calculated in the same manner.



I would like to see what coverage was being denied, but regardless, we can establish a system for those that can't get private coverage. We do NOT need to force everyone into a single pay or government program.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you say it's calculated differently.

It's simply untrue to state that singlepayer would not lower costs. According to the CBO it's just not true.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/administrative-costs/

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/a-bit-more-on-administrative-costs/

As for what other countries are spending, there is no other country that is spending over 17% of GDP - and that's with 50 million uncovered!

Germany spends 11% and they cover everybody. And they are the second highest, so...