HOW dumb is Christine O'Donnell??

Dixie said:
You're wrong, I corrected you in my previous post. Jefferson was reassuring the Danbury Baptists that the Federal government would not establish a national religion! Not that the Federal government MUST adopt the Religion of Atheism, which is what we seem to currently have!
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Given the numerous examples of Jefferson's disdain for organized religion, his statements were carefully crafted to not allow any religion to gain individual support from the federal gov't, and to avoid pissing off any more voters.

During the election and just after, Jefferson was hated by many for his lack of faith. In fact, in New England they were hiding family bibles because they thought the new administration would be destroying or confiscating them.
 
WinterBorn said:
Given the numerous examples of Jefferson's disdain for organized religion, his statements were carefully crafted to not allow any religion to gain individual support from the federal gov't, and to avoid pissing off any more voters.

During the election and just after, Jefferson was hated by many for his lack of faith. In fact, in New England they were hiding family bibles because they thought the new administration would be destroying or confiscating them.
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LOL... did you just now read that in leaningright's link? That's exactly why Jefferson addressed the Danbury Baptists! To reassure them the Federal government would NOT INTERFERE with their religious practices, both State and Church! It wasn't until 1947 in the SCOTUS ruling on Everson, that our current understanding of "separation of church and state" came to be. 1947 is a FAR cry from 1776, isn't it?
 
WinterBorn said:
Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking if you think that is true.

The following is a quote from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." (the boldface is mine)

No correct me if I am wrong, but many of the Founding Fathers were still around in 1802? And most people would consider Thomas Jefferson fairly knowlegeable on the US Constitution.
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Barron v. Baltimore (1833)
 
Dixie said:
LOL... did you just now read that in leaningright's link? That's exactly why Jefferson addressed the Danbury Baptists! To reassure them the Federal government would NOT INTERFERE with their religious practices, both State and Church! It wasn't until 1947 in the SCOTUS ruling on Everson, that our current understanding of "separation of church and state" came to be. 1947 is a FAR cry from 1776, isn't it?
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Wtf does 1776 have to do with the first amendment?
 
Damocles said:
How 'bout 1783?
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well, I would say that the beginning of this was in 1786 when the first grumblings about the Articles of Confederation were heard, and 1787 when they agreed to revise those articles and 1788 when the document was ratified by the ninth state as required by the convention. However, the 1st amendment was not introduced until 1789 with 11 other amendments.

Dixie just threw out 1776 because he thought it made him sound authoritative when in reality it just proved that he does not know the difference between the DoI and the US Constitution.
 
Socrtease said:
well, I would say that the beginning of this was in 1786 when the first grumblings about the Articles of Confederation were heard, and 1787 when they agreed to revise those articles and 1788 when the document was ratified by the ninth state as required by the convention. However, the 1st amendment was not introduced until 1789 with 11 other amendments.

Dixie just threw out 1776 because he thought it made him sound authoritative when in reality it just proved that he does not know the difference between the DoI and the US Constitution.
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No, Dixie threw out 1776 because it's a long way from 1947, when the SCOTUS gave us our current understanding of "separation of church and state!" Before 1947, there were all kinds of state ordained religious involvements, and when the actual Bill of Rights were ratified, the states who ratified them were mostly adherent to a particular denomination. This "concept" of the "wall" was not understood as it is today, until 1947. That was my point, and 1947 is quite a long way from 1776, 1783, 1789, or even 1809!
 
Dumb as a rock!

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Yeah, that's it Kenny, just throw out some more sarcastic smart ass insults and smears on people, that's working really well for your dysfunctional party at this point. It's really for the best that's all you have, you never could articulate any sort of intelligent point about things anyway. Why don't you run along now, and go see if you can find some more cute little insulting cartoons to post, you goofy comical bitch!
 
Threedee said:
Actually, until the 14th, technically there was no mandatory separation at the state level, although the last state churches were disestablished in the 1830s, well before the passage of the 14th.
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the desire for a person's religion to be the states only religion is still strong today
 
DonQuixote said:
the desire for a person's religion to be the states only religion is still strong today
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Can you name one prominent politician or public figure who has advocated this? Don, you are telling an outright lie. No one has suggested any such thing, and I would suspect if such a thing were ever suggested, it would be widely rebuked by Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, and every major religious leader in America. This is your lame attempt to try and smear people who disagree with you on morality issues, and you know it.
 
Dixie said:
Can you name one prominent politician or public figure who has advocated this? Don, you are telling an outright lie. No one has suggested any such thing, and I would suspect if such a thing were ever suggested, it would be widely rebuked by Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, and every major religious leader in America. This is your lame attempt to try and smear people who disagree with you on morality issues, and you know it.
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lol, or even a non-prominent one.....
 
Dixie said:
Yeah, that's it Kenny, just throw out some more sarcastic smart ass insults and smears on people, that's working really well for your dysfunctional party at this point. It's really for the best that's all you have, you never could articulate any sort of intelligent point about things anyway. Why don't you run along now, and go see if you can find some more cute little insulting cartoons to post, you goofy comical bitch!
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Is there nothing this woman says that you can disagree with and not throw a hissy fit when someone criticizes her? Seriously.

O'Donnell: "American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains. So they're already into this experiment."

LittleGreenFootballs: "This would explain a lot; perhaps O’Donnell is an early, failed experiment that ended up as a human with a fully functioning mouse brain?"
 
WinterBorn said:
Given the numerous examples of Jefferson's disdain for organized religion, his statements were carefully crafted to not allow any religion to gain individual support from the federal gov't, and to avoid pissing off any more voters.

During the election and just after, Jefferson was hated by many for his lack of faith. In fact, in New England they were hiding family bibles because they thought the new administration would be destroying or confiscating them.
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President Thomas Jefferson was a Protestant. Jefferson was raised as an Episcopalian (Anglican). He was also influenced by English Deists and has often been identified by historians as a Deist. He held many beliefs in common with Unitarians of the time period, and sometimes wrote that he thought the whole country would become Unitarian. He wrote that the teachings of Jesus contain the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." Wrote: "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

Source: "Jefferson's Religious Beliefs", by Rebecca Bowman, Monticello Research Department, August 1997 [URL: http://www.monticello.org/resources/interests/religion.html].


EVERYONE'S got an opinion...just pick the one that is closest to your own prejudices....but don't presume its the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
 
DonQuixote said:
the desire for a person's religion to be the states only religion is still strong today
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But not nationally. People often desire for their religion to dominate the social, cultural, judicial, and political atmosphere of the townships, districts, and counties in which they live; by state and even national support if necessary, but they don't generally worry too much if the local area is at least left alone by the influences of outside social influences.
 
Dixie said:
Can you name one prominent politician or public figure who has advocated this? Don, you are telling an outright lie. No one has suggested any such thing, and I would suspect if such a thing were ever suggested, it would be widely rebuked by Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, and every major religious leader in America. This is your lame attempt to try and smear people who disagree with you on morality issues, and you know it.
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Not out loud, but they work quietly behind the scenes! The Family, and the wedge!
 
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