HOW dumb is Christine O'Donnell??

And no, I'm not a liberal socialist. The accusation is laughable. I am a Constitutional conservative, a member of the Republican Party, active in my state's Republican candidate for US Senate, and a Christian. I am also ideologically consistent. I believe it is best when religion and state remain entirely separate, as our founding fathers intended.
 
Voltaire said:
Google the statement, Dixie. Every transcript of the debate records it as being a question, not a statement. But, remain ignorant if you wish.
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*sigh* You sure are going way out of your way to trash a conservative and make her out to be stupid, while defending a Marxist. Are you SURE you're really a conservative as you claimed? Why didn't you post a link to the transcript to show me you are correct? Well, I did Google it, and I came up with nothing, there doesn't seem to be a complete transcript of the 4th debate posted anywhere online. Obviously an oversight by the transcribers at Widener School of Law.

For the record, the debate was marked by constant interruptions from both candidates, and they often spoke over one another, or continued questions as their opponent attempted to answer. The particular question asked by O'Donnell, "Where is separation of church and state in the constitution?" Was being answered by Coons, he said, "The First Amendment..." To which she interrupted, "That's in the First Amendment?" THAT, meaning the phrase "separation of church and state." Coons responded "Yes," and began to incorrectly recite the First, saying "Congress shall make no law establishing religion..." to which O'Donnell again said, "You're telling me that is in the First Amendment?" Whether she was meaning "that" still as the phrase "separation of church and state" or Coons own misquoting of the First, doesn't matter, she was right, neither are found in the Constitution. She would go on to challenge Coons to list the five freedoms found in the First Amendment, Coons could only name one. Do YOU know the five freedoms found in the First Amendment, I mean, without Googling it?

As I explained, nobody believes that the phrase "separation of church and state" appears word for word in the First Amendment. The principle is obviously there, however, as prohibiting any level of government (via the 14th Amendment) from respecting an establishment of religion effectively guarantees the state will neither endorse nor express favoritism toward any particular sect. This would, for example, prohibit public school teachers from leading a classroom in Christian prayer, as this would constitute an endorsement of Christianity.
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Coons obviously believed the First Amendment says "separation of church and state" because that is what he answered when she asked the question, which sparked her repeated response; "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?" In a recent survey, they found that 68% of Americans believe "separation of church and state" appears in the constitution... so you are just plain wrong, a LOT of people THINK it's there, but it's not.

The "principle" is from a Supreme Court ruling in 1947 (Everson v. BOE) Supreme Court rulings are not forever written and amended into the Constitution, if they were, black people would still be property!

Madison, the author of the First Amendment, was a religious man, but he believed it is in everyone's best interest for religion and state to remain entirely separate. But then, by your own admission you don't care what Madison said:
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It doesn't matter what Madison or Jefferson, or Coons, or the Supreme Court, or you, or any liberal pinhead SAYS! That is NOT what is written in the Constitution, and THAT was O'Donnell's question!

So you're saying you are more qualified to interpret the First Amendment than the man who drafted it (James Madison)?
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No, I am saying I am just as qualified to interpret what he said as you are, and whatever he said, is completely irrelevant to the actual words found in the Constitution. It doesn't matter what he said, his sayings aren't the word of the Constitution!
 
This is a long thread, so I'm not reading through it all. Has anyone on The Left brought up an actual political position of O'Donnell's that they are unhappy about?
 
All this about O'Donnell is academic. She cannot overcome a double digit lead in the polls. The closest I have seen it is 11 points in favor of Coons. She is done, stick a fork in her. Lets move on.
 
Socrtease said:
All this about O'Donnell is academic. She cannot overcome a double digit lead in the polls. The closest I have seen it is 11 points in favor of Coons. She is done, stick a fork in her. Lets move on.
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Which is exactly why you see this Democratic "piling on" of O'Donnell. They know, come election day, this is about the ONLY race they will be able to claim a 'victory' in, and I guess they are hoping that, it being in the Eastern time zone, maybe they can sell it as some sort of 'indicator' to idiot voters in the West.

It's not an 'indicator' of anything, except how pathetically bad the Democrats are doing in this election cycle. Delaware is a heavily BLUE state, the home of Joe Biden! It's basically 850k pinheads who live in the suburbs of D.C., and the very fact that someone like O'Donnell can even be on the ballot in this race, is stunning. Sure, Delaware had Mike Castle, and he is better than the bearded Marxist, but not by a whole lot, really. So this state, roughly the size in population of San Francisco, will get the Marxist they deserve, as it should be. At least it won't be some fake conservative moron who will continually side with the Democrats to the frustration and embarrassment of Republicans.

As for this silly-ass discussion about how dumb she is, I think it has been adequately proven that she is smarter than Coons when it comes to what the Constitution says. Of course, Liberals would like for us to interpret her words to mean, she didn't recognize the First Amendment.... Now REALLY? Tell me you are not that stupid, Sochead! Do you honestly and truly believe, this woman was not familiar with "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? REALLY? Is there anyone who isn't retarded, and who finished the 5th grade, who doesn't recognize that phrase in the First Amendment? Of course, that's not what the transcripts show Coons saying the First Amendment said, so maybe there are people who don't know?
 
Dixie said:
*sigh* You sure are going way out of your way to trash a conservative and make her out to be stupid,
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A "conservative" who sued a group of conservatives for gender discrimination after being fired, citing their conservative views as the motivating factor behind said discrimination? In reality, O'Donnell was fired for doing side work on the organization's dime. Sounds more like an opportunist than a conservative. She is also dishonest about her professional and academic background, such as the claim that she studied at Oxford.

Unfortunately, some people are so naive that they will believe everything she says, and question nothing.

while defending a Marxist.
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Quit the hyperbole. Coons is a run of the mill, big government liberal, but not a Marxist. I have neither seen nor heard anything to indicate that he advocates a workers' revolution, dictatorship of the proletariat, government confiscation of all major means of production, etc. Coons isn't even a European-style social democrat; on the contrary, he'd be considered a centrist or possibly even centre-right by European standards.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no, just like you aren't going to vote for Murkowski.......a better question would be, how are the Blue Dogs working for you?......aren't the Dems ditching them all this time around?......
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Why do you say I will not be voting for Murkowski? What will stop me, Karnac?

I am not a Dem, how would I know what Dems do...
 
Voltaire said:
A "conservative" who sued a group of conservatives for gender discrimination after being fired, citing their conservative views as the motivating factor behind said discrimination? In reality, O'Donnell was fired for doing side work on the organization's dime. Sounds more like an opportunist than a conservative. She is also dishonest about her professional and academic background, such as the claim that she studied at Oxford.

Unfortunately, some people are so naive that they will believe everything she says, and question nothing.

Quit the hyperbole. Coons is a run of the mill, big government liberal, but not a Marxist. I have neither seen nor heard anything to indicate that he advocates a workers' revolution, dictatorship of the proletariat, government confiscation of all major means of production, etc. Coons isn't even a European-style social democrat; on the contrary, he'd be considered a centrist or possibly even centre-right by European standards.
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Here's the thing, you are a fraud. And not even a very good fraud. You're not the first, there have been others before you, coming here to pose as "right-wingers" who have "seen the light" and are here to steer us other righties in the proper direction. It's really an intriguing strategy, but it always fails, because most conservatives can spot a fraud a mile away. You just can't fake your guiding principles, they define who you are, and in your case, you are a liberal socialist ideologue, like Obama. You have nothing in common with the right, you think you can lie your way around that, and fool people, but we see right through you. It takes reading just a few of your posts, and dismissing the gratuitous lies you throw out, to cover your real motives.

The reason you, and other 'posers' like you, think you can make this plan work, is because you are pathetically stupid and gullible people, that's how you came to be liberal Democrats to begin with. You're the kind of people the infomercials target, as well as con artists in major cities. You're a putz, and easy mark, someone who is duped easily, and being you are a human, you believe that most other people are like you too, but that is your undoing, most people are much smarter than you, especially those on the right. Nothing you've had to say in this thread is indicative of someone with the slightest bit of conservative values, and it's such a petty and insignificant topic. What does it really matter to you if people like Christine O'Donnell, or think she was right about what the Constitution says? You've spent hours responding to me, and all I've said is what she said, that "separation of church and state" is not found anywhere in the Constitution. If that were not true, you could prove it in about 30 seconds, by posting where the Constitution says it. So we have to look at why you, a supposed "conservative", are spending such an inordinate amount of time, trying to destroy someone who is probably not going to win the election she is in. What is the underlying motive here? Could it be, to hopefully pull off your deception, and persuade other conservatives to think... hmm.. he's a conservative like me, and he doesn't like what O'Donnell says... so, maybe I should follow his lead? That makes sense, but only if you are a complete and total fraud, which I believe you are.
 
Dixie said:
Here's the thing, you are a fraud. And not even a very good fraud. You're not the first, there have been others before you, coming here to pose as "right-wingers" who have "seen the light" and are here to steer us other righties in the proper direction. It's really an intriguing strategy, but it always fails, because most conservatives can spot a fraud a mile away. You just can't fake your guiding principles, they define who you are, and in your case, you are a liberal socialist ideologue, like Obama. You have nothing in common with the right, you think you can lie your way around that, and fool people, but we see right through you. It takes reading just a few of your posts, and dismissing the gratuitous lies you throw out, to cover your real motives.

The reason you, and other 'posers' like you, think you can make this plan work, is because you are pathetically stupid and gullible people, that's how you came to be liberal Democrats to begin with. You're the kind of people the infomercials target, as well as con artists in major cities. You're a putz, and easy mark, someone who is duped easily, and being you are a human, you believe that most other people are like you too, but that is your undoing, most people are much smarter than you, especially those on the right. Nothing you've had to say in this thread is indicative of someone with the slightest bit of conservative values, and it's such a petty and insignificant topic. What does it really matter to you if people like Christine O'Donnell, or think she was right about what the Constitution says? You've spent hours responding to me, and all I've said is what she said, that "separation of church and state" is not found anywhere in the Constitution. If that were not true, you could prove it in about 30 seconds, by posting where the Constitution says it. So we have to look at why you, a supposed "conservative", are spending such an inordinate amount of time, trying to destroy someone who is probably not going to win the election she is in. What is the underlying motive here? Could it be, to hopefully pull off your deception, and persuade other conservatives to think... hmm.. he's a conservative like me, and he doesn't like what O'Donnell says... so, maybe I should follow his lead? That makes sense, but only if you are a complete and total fraud, which I believe you are.
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Do you ever re read what you write? It just blows my mind reading, I wonder if it has the same effect on you when you re read your stuff, do you think, did I really write that? Do I remember writing it? What was it I was drinking at the time when I wrote that? Did I give my password to the dog, again...
 
Rana said:
Do you ever re read what you write? It just blows my mind reading, I wonder if it has the same effect on you when you re read your stuff, do you think, did I really write that? Do I remember writing it? What was it I was drinking at the time when I wrote that? Did I give my password to the dog, again...
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Aww.. Flattery will get you nowhere! :)

....I have been thinking of writing a book... I bet it would sell! :good4u:
 
Rana said:
Why do you say I will not be voting for Murkowski? What will stop me, Karnac?

I am not a Dem, how would I know what Dems do...
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well, I suppose there is a 1/50th chance that you actually live in Alaska, well actually less than that since it is one of the lesser populated states..........

other than that, unless you do it on a lark, it's obvious from your posts you would never vote for the more conservative candidate over a more liberal one.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
well, I suppose there is a 1/50th chance that you actually live in Alaska, well actually less than that since it is one of the lesser populated states..........

other than that, unless you do it on a lark, it's obvious from your posts you would never vote for the more conservative candidate over a more liberal one.......
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Ahahahahaha, well, I guess you will never know...
 
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