Understanding Socialism

Yurt said:
shut up maineman

wtf do you involve yourself in onceler's petty bullshit, oh yeah, because you're a petty dishonest hack as well

he already offered to bump the thread, then when i accepted he ran away like a little boy and then later come up with these dishonest demands...yet, he claims i'm the one making demands...do you see the lie...doubt it as you're one the biggest liars stalking the interwebs

if he was telling the truth, he could make me look stupid real quick, instead i had to do his work for him and bump the thread, but oh no, i'm the one making demands, despite his offer and his demands that i agree to HIS terms
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some people here think I am this fellow maineman.... others think I am some guy named uscitizen....

you all should give up the cloak and dagger bullshit. I am an old retired fella from Illinois and I am not anyone else.

It seems to me that onceler's demands are fairly simple. what are you afraid of? Like I said...if YOU are right, just agree to them...he'll then be forced to post the thread... which will prove YOUR point and not his.

All this whining back and forth is getting old. Maybe you two should continue this in PM's or in a private room somewhere. spare the rest of us....please.
 
old retired fella said:
some people here think I am this fellow maineman.... others think I am some guy named uscitizen....

you all should give up the cloak and dagger bullshit. I am an old retired fella from Illinois and I am not anyone else.

It seems to me that onceler's demands are fairly simple. what are you afraid of? Like I said...if YOU are right, just agree to them...he'll then be forced to post the thread... which will prove YOUR point and not his.

All this whining back and forth is getting old. Maybe you two should continue this in PM's or in a private room somewhere. spare the rest of us....please.
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your pm to me proved you are maineman, your posts and your gunning for me prove it as well....you're a new member, but you just so happen to come out with guns blazing me

why are you not calling onceler out for his DEMANDS when he is the one claiming i'm making demands, if you want it to go to PM, why are YOU involving yourself in the conflict and taking his argument up for him

your dishonesty is so transparent, its funny you think you fool people

its also funny that the last time you tried to sneak onto DP you told people you were from illinois as well....why don't you be more original dumbass
 
I'm not making demands, or lying. I'm setting parameters.

It's not something I'd feel a need to do with other posters, but you have a long, long history of discrediting links & moving goalposts. Frankly, anyone would be an idiot not to set some parameters ahead of time, based on that history.
 
Yurt said:
your pm to me proved you are maineman, your posts and your gunning for me prove it as well....you're a new member, but you just so happen to come out with guns blazing me

why are you not calling onceler out for his DEMANDS when he is the one claiming i'm making demands, if you want it to go to PM, why are YOU involving yourself in the conflict and taking his argument up for him

your dishonesty is so transparent, its funny you think you fool people

its also funny that the last time you tried to sneak onto DP you told people you were from illinois as well....why don't you be more original dumbass
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my PM to you was in response to a rather creepy, unsolicited PM from you. It only "proves" that you sent me an unsolicited PM and I found it to be weird and I told you so in my response... and I asked you to please not PM me again, which you ignored and DID, in fact, PM me two additional times. Thankfully, you have stopped now....although you have neg repped me once a day for the past four days.... creepy AND obsessive, imo.

I don't know what DP is, and I am from the land of Lincoln... that is not "original"...it's the truth.

So why not get back on topic and address my post about how wrong you all are for twisting the definition of socialism?
 
Onceler said:
I'm not making demands, or lying. I'm setting parameters.

It's not something I'd feel a need to do with other posters, but you have a long, long history of discrediting links & moving goalposts. Frankly, anyone would be an idiot not to set some parameters ahead of time, based on that history.
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lmao...you're not making demands....good lord, do you really think that lie will fly...well, with maineman it will

you're demanding i agree to your terms or you will not try to prove your cliam

yeah....thats not a demand

you're a fucking liar and a waste of time....i'm done with this game, you've proven you're a liar and i've made the case clear that your claim is utter trash

thanks :)
 
old retired fella said:
my PM to you was in response to a rather creepy, unsolicited PM from you. It only "proves" that you sent me an unsolicited PM and I found it to be weird and I told you so in my response... and I asked you to please not PM me again, which you ignored and DID, in fact, PM me two additional times. Thankfully, you have stopped now....although you have neg repped me once a day for the past four days.... creepy AND obsessive, imo.

I don't know what DP is, and I am from the land of Lincoln... that is not "original"...it's the truth.

So why not get back on topic and address my post about how wrong you all are for twisting the definition of socialism?
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maineman said:
I said what I said and it remains true... and unrefuted.

sorry to disappoint you, fag boy....but you didn't "catch" me in anything. your obsession with trying to do so is sort of creepy, however, but not unexpected for a closeted gay man like you.

Do yourself a favor.... come on OUT. admit your gayness.... it must be so oppressive in there, hiding from it.:pke:
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LOL...you kept responding to my pm which just said hi, you responded with something almost identical to the above and you just posted the same again and if i wanted, i could pull up hundreds of posts of your that are just like that

lmao...do try and be a little more orginal if you're going to lie and claim you're not the poster formerly known as maineman :)
 
Yurt said:
lmao...you're not making demands....good lord, do you really think that lie will fly...well, with maineman it will

you're demanding i agree to your terms or you will not try to prove your cliam

yeah....thats not a demand

you're a fucking liar and a waste of time....i'm done with this game, you've proven you're a liar and i've made the case clear that your claim is utter trash

thanks :)
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You're doing the asking; all I'm doing is setting the parameters.

It's pretty simple, really.

And again - it speaks volumes that you won't agree to them. I'm not "demanding" anything, because I don't need anything; I know quite well what you said. You want the proof; all I'm saying is "if you want this, this is what I'll need ahead of time..."
 
old retired fella said:
suffice it to say that the repubs and righties and teabaggers have decided that they can redefine the word "socialism" and use it as an epithet against democrats.

Socialism is government control of the means of production...period.

not just some of the means of production - ALL production.... not just tiny slivers of our economy, or even sizeable wedges of our economy..... but ALL of it.
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Interesting...
So is French Socialism the same as Russian Socialism?
Is the Socialism practiced in Europe the same as that in Venezuela ?
How about Nicaraga, Bolivia and Ecuado? Do they all meet you rigid criteria..

How about Democracy?
Is that the same throughout the world...?
The US?....the UK?....Germany?.....
 
bravo said:
Interesting...
So is French Socialism the same as Russian Socialism?
Is the Socialism practiced in Europe the same as that in Venezuela ?
How about Nicaraga, Bolivia and Ecuado? Do they all meet you rigid criteria..

How about Democracy?
Is that the same throughout the world...?
The US?....the UK?....Germany?.....
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A Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what will be on the dinner menu.

A Republic is a well armed lamb.
 
Oh boy! Why couldn't I have gotten into the debate from the beginning. No way I'm going to read through all these pages, but the reason people wanted change was because capitalists brought poverty, inequality, and heavy taxes.

Dixie is like the Romans that wondered why everyone hated Rome. Hmmmmm Could it be they had forced slave labor colonies, that had to pay taxes to Rome?

More war, more taxes?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Oh boy! Why couldn't I have gotten into the debate from the beginning. No way I'm going to read through all these pages, but the reason people wanted change was because capitalists brought poverty, inequality, and heavy taxes.

Dixie is like the Romans that wondered why everyone hated Rome. Hmmmmm Could it be they had forced slave labor colonies, that had to pay taxes to Rome?

More war, more taxes?
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Now there you go....
Capitalists(read Republicans)gave us poverty....
Just look around you....poverty, poverty everywhere....in the US, the people in poverty have only one cellphone...imagine that...and they're all obese from starvation....
Only one flat screen Sat. TV.....Oh, the humanity.....

and inequality....imagine that .... we're not all equal...some of us are intelligent and some of us are Democrats....its just not right

and TAXES....those Capitalists(read Republicans) are always raising our taxes....its unbelievable....just look at whats going on in Washington as we speak....someone is demanding the tax cuts be abolished.....but who???

After more of this "bat-shit crazy" crap from this guy, I almost feel like I owe Crashk an apology............................I'll get over it.:palm:
 
Bfgrn said:
refutation..the Sarah 'empty vessel' Palin gaffe...LOL
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But in the end, Pa, meet Kettle

the New Oxford American Dictionary defended Palin's use of the word. "From a strictly lexical interpretation of the different contexts in which Palin has used 'refudiate,' we have concluded that neither 'refute' nor 'repudiate' seems consistently precise, and that 'refudiate' more or less stands on its own, suggesting a general sense of 'reject,' " the New Oxford American Dictionary said in a press release.

the jokes on you, pinhead....haha...:)

The EXPERTS have spoken.
 
Yurt said:
LOL...you kept responding to my pm which just said hi, you responded with something almost identical to the above and you just posted the same again and if i wanted, i could pull up hundreds of posts of your that are just like that

lmao...do try and be a little more orginal if you're going to lie and claim you're not the poster formerly known as maineman :)
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I am not a pastor...former, or otherwise...and I am not a man from maine....so can we get past this bizarre mistaken identity and discuss issues, or are you going to continue to avoid them by making this discussion about who you mistakenly claim I AM, instead of what I SAY? The choice is yours. "george".....what's it gonna be?

"george"...four of those letters hit close to home, eh? ;)
 
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bravo said:
But in the end, Pa, meet Kettle

the New Oxford American Dictionary defended Palin's use of the word. "From a strictly lexical interpretation of the different contexts in which Palin has used 'refudiate,' we have concluded that neither 'refute' nor 'repudiate' seems consistently precise, and that 'refudiate' more or less stands on its own, suggesting a general sense of 'reject,' " the New Oxford American Dictionary said in a press release.

the jokes on you, pinhead....haha...:)

The EXPERTS have spoken.
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And does the same dictionary insist that 'ALUMINUM' is a correctly spelled word?
I wouldnt give too much credence to an American dictionary I were you, sailor. Mwah, mwah.
 
old retired fella said:
I am not a pastor...former, or otherwise...and I am not a man from maine....so can we get past this bizarre mistaken identity and discuss issues, or are you going to continue to avoid them by making this discussion about who you mistakenly claim I AM, instead of what I SAY? The choice is yours. "george".....what's it gonna be?

"george"...four of those letters hit close to home, eh? ;)
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you are in fact the person who used to post under the username maineman

stop lying about it....wait...even though you retired from preaching, you still haven't retired from lying

yawn
 
you are wrong....so can we get past this bizarre mistaken identity and discuss issues, or are you going to continue to avoid them by making this discussion about who you mistakenly claim I AM, instead of what I SAY? The choice is yours. "george".....what's it gonna be?


it seems to me that, by making this about who you mistakenly claim I am, you are just avoiding the issues that I bring forth.

So...what's it gonna be, george?
 
old retired fella said:
you are wrong....so can we get past this bizarre mistaken identity and discuss issues, or are you going to continue to avoid them by making this discussion about who you mistakenly claim I AM, instead of what I SAY? The choice is yours. "george".....what's it gonna be?


it seems to me that, by making this about who you mistakenly claim I am, you are just avoiding the issues that I bring forth.

So...what's it gonna be, george?
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thats exactly what you said when you tried to sneak back onto DP as moderate democrat

the only issue is:

why do you feel you have to lie and hide the fact that you are the person who is the banned poster maineman

you know i am telling the truth, unfortunately, despite your thinking you are so honest you can hold the pulpit and your repeated claims you never lie, you still lie about such simple things as a former username

good lord, you are pathetic.....
 
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