Next Stop Thunderdome or One More Reason Why Free Markets Won't Save the World

Smarter Than All Y'All said:
So there's nothing wrong with my eyesight. There was no mention of an excuse being given by the corporate rent-a-guards in the OP.

You "intuited" the foundation for the claims you made...I suppose.

How perceptive you are.
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you won't hear any 'excuse' by the guards or the private company due to 'pending litigation', which is a classic evasion of responsibility used by all law enforcement agencies when they fuck up.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
case after case in the supreme court, it has been stated time and again that the ONLY time a person has the RIGHT to police protection as an individual is when they are in custody. if a corrections officer is killed doing his duty, award him the highest honor, but it's totally immoral to stand around and not do your job using 'safety' as your defense.
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STY, the highly intuitive arbiter of public morality, has spoken!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
It also doesn't show private industry is the great savior of all that is.

I'd like some of the supposed "enumerated powers" champions to show me how private industry has done a better job than the Government.
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ZappasGuitar said:
It also doesn't show private industry is the great savior of all that is.

I'd like some of the supposed "enumerated powers" champions to show me how private industry has done a better job than the Government.
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Zap you gave an example of abuse at a private prison but I don't think it would be to difficult to find an example of the same at a state run prison.

There hasn't really been an argument made for why state run prisons are better.
 
cawacko said:
Zap you gave an example of abuse at a private prison but I don't think it would be to difficult to find an example of the same at a state run prison.

There hasn't really been an argument made for why state run prisons are better.
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There has, it's just that you apparently don't know how to use an internet browser to research a subject...

Despite claims from companies like CCA, the jury seems to be out on whether private prisons end up saving governments money. ...

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/17/news/economy/private_prisons_economic_impact.fortune/index.htm

A nationwide study found that assaults on guards by inmates were 49 percent more frequent in private prisons than in government-run prisons. ...

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cawacko said:
Zap you gave an example of abuse at a private prison but I don't think it would be to difficult to find an example of the same at a state run prison.

There hasn't really been an argument made for why state run prisons are better.
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To be sure, there are abuses taking place with ridiculous regularity at our Government run prisons, but if even this one example of guards just standing by while an inmate is beaten and stomped into unconsciousness really occurred at a privately run facility, then we should call the "experiment" a failure and go back to letting the Government run our prisons.

After all, private industry only got the opportunity to go into the prison business by claiming they could do a better job than the Government
 
ZappasGuitar said:
To be sure, there are abuses taking place with ridiculous regularity at our Government run prisons, but if even this one example of guards just standing by while an inmate is beaten and stomped into unconsciousness really occurred at a privately run facility, then we should call the "experiment" a failure and go back to letting the Government run our prisons.

After all, private industry only got the opportunity to go into the prison business by claiming they could do a better job than the Government
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no, they claimed they could save teh state money...not that they would be less corrupt

you really need to read up on prison issues, its a huge deal in california and you trying to make this a private vs a public issue is utterly naive of the issues going on zappa
 
cawacko said:
Zap you gave an example of abuse at a private prison but I don't think it would be to difficult to find an example of the same at a state run prison.

There hasn't really been an argument made for why state run prisons are better.
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Here's one reason...

"NPR spent the past several months analyzing hundreds of pages of campaign finance reports, lobbying documents and corporate records. What they show is a quiet, behind-the-scenes effort to help draft and pass Arizona Senate Bill 1070 by an industry that stands to benefit from it: the private prison industry.

The law could send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to prison in a way never done before. And it could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in profits to private prison companies responsible for housing them."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130833741
 
Crashk said:
Here's one reason...

"NPR spent the past several months analyzing hundreds of pages of campaign finance reports, lobbying documents and corporate records. What they show is a quiet, behind-the-scenes effort to help draft and pass Arizona Senate Bill 1070 by an industry that stands to benefit from it: the private prison industry.

The law could send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to prison in a way never done before. And it could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in profits to private prison companies responsible for housing them."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130833741
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Ok. The prison guard union in California is quite possibly the most powerful union in the state. Ask anyone who lives here. They don't "own" most of state's most powerful politicians because they want prisons to be closed and members of their union to be laid off.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not really arguing for or against private prison systems but talking about the current state of system today (at least in California). Another column from today's paper discussing the broken prison system in California. This is the broken prison system run by the state of California.


Prisons can work for us or bankrupt us -- which will we choose?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opinionshop/detail?entry_id=78069
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The examples I see is that private prisons cause more people to stay in jail longer and be put there more often, it isn't good for anyone, especially our federal and state budgets! They were suppose to be a good thing, like all privatization, it really isn't!
 
Rana said:
The examples I see is that private prisons cause more people to stay in jail longer and be put there more often, it isn't good for anyone, especially our federal and state budgets! They were suppose to be a good thing, like all privatization, it really isn't!
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How do private prisons cause people to stay there longer? The prisons aren't the ones who hand down the sentencing. Again at least in California our prison costs are helping to blow up our budget and these are prisons run by the state of California not private interests. This lady just wrote the current (state run) system is broken.
 
cawacko said:
How do private prisons cause people to stay there longer? The prisons aren't the ones who hand down the sentencing. Again at least in California our prison costs are helping to blow up our budget and these are prisons run by the state of California not private interests. This lady just wrote the current (state run) system is broken.
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There have been many cases where prosecutors or judges have been getting a cut of the deal, they put people in jail who don't belong there and give them maximum penalty under the law! The system is broken because drug users and petty dealers are jailed! Think of how the system would change had you made marijuana legal!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
To be sure, there are abuses taking place with ridiculous regularity at our Government run prisons, but if even this one example of guards just standing by while an inmate is beaten and stomped into unconsciousness really occurred at a privately run facility, then we should call the "experiment" a failure and go back to letting the Government run our prisons.

After all, private industry only got the opportunity to go into the prison business by claiming they could do a better job than the Government
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um, no. they claimed they could do it cheaper, not better.
 
Rana said:
There have been many cases where prosecutors or judges have been getting a cut of the deal, they put people in jail who don't belong there and give them maximum penalty under the law! The system is broken because drug users and petty dealers are jailed! Think of how the system would change had you made marijuana legal!
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Well yes but what does prosecutors or judges cutting deals have to do with whether prisons are private or not?
 
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