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third article in the paper today regarding Calfornia prisons. Zap you are talking about state prisons being compassionate and for profit prisons not being well here is this...

""The case covers decades of controversy, during which the state has been repeatedly charged with endangering the lives of sick inmates. Last year, a federal court decided that California was unable to improve its prisons' mental health and medical services, and it must reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates.""

I don't think that is going to qualify as compassionate to too many people.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=78077
 
cawacko said:
third article in the paper today regarding Calfornia prisons. Zap you are talking about state prisons being compassionate and for profit prisons not being well here is this...

""The case covers decades of controversy, during which the state has been repeatedly charged with endangering the lives of sick inmates. Last year, a federal court decided that California was unable to improve its prisons' mental health and medical services, and it must reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates.""

I don't think that is going to qualify as compassionate to too many people.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=78077
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its unfortunately another failed thread by zappa...he has done this in the past and 99% of the time never comes back to the thread....
 
Yurt said:
no, they claimed they could save teh state money...not that they would be less corrupt

you really need to read up on prison issues, its a huge deal in california and you trying to make this a private vs a public issue is utterly naive of the issues going on zappa
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I see, so you accept corruption as fine as long as some money gets saved.

I get it now...

Government corruption=bad.

Private Industry corruption=GOOD if money is saved
 
cawacko said:
Here's an article from today's papaer talking about the prison problem in California. For sh*ts and giggles feel free to read the comments section after the article.


California to ship more prisoners out of state

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/30/MN9C1GFTB2.DTL
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Nothing but another anti-union op-ed...

From the VERY FIRST COMMENT after the article...

"A high school education, $100 grand/year."

Nothing but BALD FACED ENVY from someone jealous he can't make the same.

To deal with overcrowing on the scale Cali is suffering through, maybe some corrections officers need to be paid 6 figures...
 
cawacko said:
There hasn't really been an argument made for why state run prisons are better.
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Well, what do we hear over and over about business?

That's it's SOLE PURPOSE is to generate profits for it's shareholders.

So then, concern for prisoner health...making an effort to keep prisoners safe from assault...seeing that prisoners are rehabilitated prior to release...

ALL TAKE A BACK SEAT to shareholder profit margins.

THAT is why state run prisons are better.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not really arguing for or against private prison systems but talking about the current state of system today (at least in California). Another column from today's paper discussing the broken prison system in California. This is the broken prison system run by the state of California.


Prisons can work for us or bankrupt us -- which will we choose?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opinionshop/detail?entry_id=78069
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And why exactly is the prison system in Cali "broken"?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Nothing but another anti-union op-ed...

From the VERY FIRST COMMENT after the article...

"A high school education, $100 grand/year."

Nothing but BALD FACED ENVY from someone jealous he can't make the same.

To deal with overcrowing on the scale Cali is suffering through, maybe some corrections officers need to be paid 6 figures...
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???

It's not an op-ed it's a news article. What is anti-union in the article? Did you read the article?

The comment section is a board like this where people can post whatever they want.
 
cawacko said:
third article in the paper today regarding Calfornia prisons. Zap you are talking about state prisons being compassionate and for profit prisons not being well here is this...

""The case covers decades of controversy, during which the state has been repeatedly charged with endangering the lives of sick inmates. Last year, a federal court decided that California was unable to improve its prisons' mental health and medical services, and it must reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates.""

I don't think that is going to qualify as compassionate to too many people.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=78077
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here's a little "commpassion" from another of those wonderful "for profit" prisons...

"A year ago, CCA and another company, Dominion Correctional Services LLC, agreed to pay $1.3 million to settle a lawsuit in which the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission claimed male officers at a prison in Colorado forced female workers to perform sex acts to keep their jobs."
 
ZappasGuitar said:
here's a little "commpassion" from another of those wonderful "for profit" prisons...

"A year ago, CCA and another company, Dominion Correctional Services LLC, agreed to pay $1.3 million to settle a lawsuit in which the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission claimed male officers at a prison in Colorado forced female workers to perform sex acts to keep their jobs."
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Dude, should we start listing all the things that go on at state or federal run prisons? We could be here for days if we do that.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Well, what do we hear over and over about business?

That's it's SOLE PURPOSE is to generate profits for it's shareholders.

So then, concern for prisoner health...making an effort to keep prisoners safe from assault...seeing that prisoners are rehabilitated prior to release...

ALL TAKE A BACK SEAT to shareholder profit margins.

THAT is why state run prisons are better.
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Zap, if the prisons get fired for lack of performance the shareholders don't make any money. The prisons have to provide the service they promised.

Because state run prisons don't have to make a profit doesn't mean they give a sh*t about the prisoners.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
here's a little "commpassion" from another of those wonderful "for profit" prisons...

"A year ago, CCA and another company, Dominion Correctional Services LLC, agreed to pay $1.3 million to settle a lawsuit in which the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission claimed male officers at a prison in Colorado forced female workers to perform sex acts to keep their jobs."
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dude, I could start listing correctional officer misconduct at government run prisons that could turn you prematurely gray. really, trying to place this crap on privately run prisons only is off track.
 
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