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Mott the Hoople said:
Yea they are and having been raised on a farm and living in rural areas a good part of my life and knowing farmers as I do.......no way in hell do I want them writing the laws or running the machinery of government.

Most farmers I know are very good people but they are almost completely disconnected from urban realities, don't deal well with highly complex situations outside their realm of personal experience and tend to be rather misanthropic.

You're typical farmer would firmly believe the world would all be a better place if they owned everything and the rest of us worked as their serfs and they called all the shots.
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Urban realities? Highly complex situations?
I'm not a farmer, but I dare say, they would know to handle city gangs, drug abuse, and overall rampant crime in the city...
They are the urban realities...
And your last crack is too stupid to deserve a civil response.
 
bravo said:
Urban realities? Highly complex situations?
I'm not a farmer, but I dare say, they would know to handle city gangs, drug abuse, and overall rampant crime in the city...
They are the urban realities...
And your last crack is too stupid to deserve a civil response.
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Well I was raised on a farm and my father was a tenent farmer before he went to med school and I'm here to tell you that their solution to urban problems would probably be to round up everyone they don't like and machine gun them. In other words, you're sadly mistaken.

No knock on farmers bu being a rural farmer is hardly the kind of experience that teach one how to deal with complex urban issues.
 
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leaningright said:
That is very interesting Bravo. I appreciate the work you put into that. No wonder I liked Gingrich so much. :) I have no sympathy for lawyers in general as when I think of lawyers I think of ambulance chasers (whom I despise), but I must agree with Jarod that there are good lawyers and there are bad lawyers...just like there are good businessmen and there are bad businessmen.

Somewhere in all of it there has got to be balance...somehow businessmen need the freedom/ability to create jobs but many of them need to learn not to be so greedy (don't try to convince me that many are not), and somehow the lawyers have to find a way to help people without strapping oppressive laws/taxes on the businesses.

None of this is ever going to happen unless the businessmen and lawyers learn to work together and compromise. Businessmen need to learn to give a little and lawyers need to learn not to want so much. Sacrifices are going to have to be made on both sides to get us out of the fix that we are in. As a religious man I continue to pray for the leaders on both sides.
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I, like many lawyers, am a lawyer and a businessman. I run my own lawfirm and practice law.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
and look at what a lot of these Farmers have done to rural areas in the last 30 years. They control the regions politically. Unions are gone and so are the factories that brought middle class prosperity to small rural towns and villages. Opportunities are so hard to come by for young people in rural areas (unless they are in line to inherit the farm) that most of them flee for greener pastures. Our rural areas now have higher unemployment rates then the inner city of most metro areas. Crime rates in rural areas are also soaring mainly due to drug trafficking because of the lack of employment opportunities. The median income in rural areas is about 1/4 less then in metro and suburban areas creating a lot of rural ghettos out there and the median homeowner age out where I'm from is something like 52!

The rural county where I was raised had 14 factories in 1978 that employed 4,000 people. Now there are two who employ less then 500 people and they still provide more of a spin off economy then all the farmers in the county combined do and the middle class has virtually dissappeared. You have the Farmers, a handful of profesionals and the working poor.

So you're not impressing me by telling me most farmers are Republicans. You are right, they are. They are also mostly wanna be plutocrats who are adamantly opposed to any changes that profit anyone but themselves and I've seen first hand the damage that attitude has done. Why the hell do you think I left? So I could be some college educated farmers hired hand working for minimum wage for the rest of my life because my name isn't a Hoying or a Hemelgarn or a Pax or one of the other famous farming families in the region and therefore i am completely unworthy of a college education cause I wasn't born into the right family? Fuck that.

Hell those reactionary pricks want to close down the only community college in the county cause they don't think their tax dollars should be wasted on it cause you don't need a college education to work in their fields for them.

Look, I know a lot of farmers and they are in general damned fine people but don't paint them up to me as paragons of virtue. I know them better then that.
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Most of this is due to machinery, not conspiracy. Nowadays it is unnecessary to hire the local college kid to run through the corn to touch the silk to fertilize your crop. There is a machine for that. Nowadays it is unnecessary to hire some kid to cut off the sunflowers at harvest time. There is a machine for that. There is no need to hire a kid to separate the wheat from the chaff, there is a machine for that. There is no need, etc. Blame John Deere if you are upset over job loss when it is because of increased productivity, not the farmer.

And lastly, when did I say that was impressive? I simply said it was true.
 
Lawyers as ambulance chasers? Not most. Most work for the government in some way or the other. As far as them all being Democrats, not really. The biggest civil firms in the US are almost all civil defense firms, that means they defend those being sued by the democrats suing all those hard working business people, like the people that created love canal, or PG&E which knowingly polluted the water table in California, or the hard working businessmen at Ford that read the "let them burn" memo and went along as people died in Pintos. There are those firms that run personally injury like a mill. They get your case, and literally hundreds more and push them through to small settlements, take their 30 to 40% and move on. Of all the lawyers I hang out with, only one splits his time between personal injury and criminal defense. All the others are either criminal defense attorneys or family law attorneys. Personal injury does not pay for the most part. It is a tremendous amount of uncompensated time up front with lots of personal money invested by the lawyer to try to get to a settlement or favorable jury verdict. Even after the verdict most awards are reduced by appellate courts. McDonald's coffee case is a prime example of this. That woman was burned by coffee heated to scalding levels, hotter than the makers of McDonald's own brewers recommended. She won a boat load of cash, that was reduced to a smaller boat and then McDonald's and she settled out of court for another amount. All the time all she wanted was to be compensated for what her deductible and missed work. It was less than 10,000 dollars ( I THINK it was actually less than 5k but can't remember) McDonald's told her to get fucked and THEN she got a lawyer. While I agree that too many people view personal injuries as winning a lottery, there are MANY times when the company being sued has purposely put people in harms way. The Ford Pinto is a prime example. If you or I put another human in that sort of danger, KNOWINGLY, we would be prosecuted in criminal court. Iaccoca's "let em burn" memo was criminal. Love Canal and PG&E was criminal. Those men that made those calls should have gone to prison. But instead we say that when it comes to injuries suffered at the hands of business we can only be compensated monetarily. Don't like it? Change it. Tell your legislatures to write laws that create criminal culpability for the most egregious acts by businesses. Everyone hates a lawyer til they need one, then all lawyers but theirs suck. And all lawyers have clients that believe that, so in reality damn few of us actually suck. I am one of those few.
 
Rana said:
I do, too and they are just people! and my relatives, some of them! and they aren't paragons of virtue!
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Exactly. I'm not really trying to dis farmers here. They do what everyone really does. Look after their own interest but this idea that we should run our nation based on simple rural values is fucking stupid. Not that theirs anything wrong with those values just that to believe they are a panacea is the height if stupidity.
 
Rana said:
They are, this is news to me, most I knew in Kansas did not go to college, but inherited the family farm from a relative, interesting, thanks Damo.
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I grew up in a farm town in KS. 90%+ went to and graduated from K-State. That was true of the parents of my generation. My generation is closer to 100%. They can't compete otherwise.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well I was raised on a farm and my father was a tenent farmer before he went to med school and I'm here to tell you that their solution to urban problems would probably be to round up everyone they don't like and machine gun them. In other words, you're sadly mistaken.

No knock on farmers bu being a rural farmer is hardly the kind of experience that teach one how to deal with complex urban issues.
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and being a lawyer hardly qualifies someone for ANY issue... urban, suburban or rural. ESPECIALLY when said lawyers don't ever hold a real job.

The whole premise that they wouldn't be able to write the laws is absurd. They can HIRE a lawyer for their staff to make sure it is written properly. But the decisions on Farm issues could be led by farmers, medical by doctors, education by teachers etc....

The problem with the idiots in DC is far too many have never held a job outside of the political realm.
 
bravo said:
Interesting side-note....

President Bush is a businessman.
Vice President Cheney is a businessman.
The leaders of the Republican Revolution:
Newt Gingrich was a history professor.
Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.
House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.
The former Senate Majority Leader Bill First is a heart surgeon.
Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976.
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Barack Obama is a lawyer. Michelle Obama is a lawyer.
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. Bill Clinton is a lawyer.
John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer.
Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).
Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.
Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:
Harry Reid is a lawyer. Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.
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The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like First, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America . And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, grow.

By Anonymous...
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Summary of the eRumor:
A forwarded email that says the Democratic party has become a party of lawyers. It lists President Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and several other elected Democratic leaders who hold law degrees.

The Truth:
This is a commentary written by Bruce Walker that was published in The American Thinker on March 17, 2008. Click for article.

There are biographies posted on the Congressional website showing several Republican elected leaders with legal backgrounds or holding law degrees including Michael Turner of Ohio, Leonard Lance of New Jersey, Timothy V. Johnson of Illinois, Randy J. Forbes of Virginia, Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, Thomas E. Petri of Wisconsin , and Mike Castle of Delaware.

GOP Senate biographies with legal backgrounds or law degrees include Kit Bond of Missouri, Sam Brownback of Kansas , Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Thad Chochran of Mississippi, John Cornyn of Texas , and Mike Crapo of Idaho.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/democrats-lawyers.htm
 
christiefan915 said:
Summary of the eRumor:
A forwarded email that says the Democratic party has become a party of lawyers. It lists President Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and several other elected Democratic leaders who hold law degrees.

The Truth:
This is a commentary written by Bruce Walker that was published in The American Thinker on March 17, 2008. Click for article.

There are biographies posted on the Congressional website showing several Republican elected leaders with legal backgrounds or holding law degrees including Michael Turner of Ohio, Leonard Lance of New Jersey, Timothy V. Johnson of Illinois, Randy J. Forbes of Virginia, Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, Thomas E. Petri of Wisconsin , and Mike Castle of Delaware.

GOP Senate biographies with legal backgrounds or law degrees include Kit Bond of Missouri, Sam Brownback of Kansas , Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Thad Chochran of Mississippi, John Cornyn of Texas , and Mike Crapo of Idaho.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/democrats-lawyers.htm
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I happen to think lawyers are picked on, not all of them are bad guys!
 
Damocles said:
Most of this is due to machinery, not conspiracy. Nowadays it is unnecessary to hire the local college kid to run through the corn to touch the silk to fertilize your crop. There is a machine for that. Nowadays it is unnecessary to hire some kid to cut off the sunflowers at harvest time. There is a machine for that. There is no need to hire a kid to separate the wheat from the chaff, there is a machine for that. There is no need, etc. Blame John Deere if you are upset over job loss when it is because of increased productivity, not the farmer.

And lastly, when did I say that was impressive? I simply said it was true.
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When I was younger, I worked a couple of summers detasseling corn.
Anyone else here ever done that; because they now have a machine that does that also.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
When I was younger, I worked a couple of summers detasseling corn.
Anyone else here ever done that; because they now have a machine that does that also.
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I did enough of it in my younger days to know I absolutely hate it and admire any one who did it for a living! ;)
 
Superfreak said:
and being a lawyer hardly qualifies someone for ANY issue... urban, suburban or rural. ESPECIALLY when said lawyers don't ever hold a real job.

The whole premise that they wouldn't be able to write the laws is absurd. They can HIRE a lawyer for their staff to make sure it is written properly. But the decisions on Farm issues could be led by farmers, medical by doctors, education by teachers etc....

The problem with the idiots in DC is far too many have never held a job outside of the political realm.
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I concur. That and being in DC further insulates them from reality.
 
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