US military covering up and condoning the rape of Afghani boys...

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Another example of how Wikileaks is "endangering the lives of our troops"...

NOT!

Our military covering up and condoning the rape of Afghani boys...


US contractor bought Afghan policemen drugs, little boys, cable reveals


US State Dept. called ownership of Afghan 'dancing boys' a 'culturally sanctioned form of male rape'

The Afghanistan interior minister was so concerned about an incident where DynCorp, a US contractor charged with training Afghan police, bought drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" that he asked the US embassy to work to "quash" the story, a secret US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks indicates.

In Afghan society, "dancing boys" are little boys dressed as girls, commonly abused and kept by some men as possessions.

As Joel Brinkley reported for SFGate.com, many Afghan Pashtun tribal men take boys age 9 to 15 as lovers. The US State Department recently called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

"Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover," wrote Brinkley. "Literally it means 'boy player.' The men like to boast about it."

"Everyone tries to have the best, most handsome and good-looking boy," a former mujahideen commander told Reuters in 2007. "Sometimes we gather and make our boys dance and whoever wins, his boy will be the best boy."

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun. Brinkley's sources say that one or two members of Karzai's family had taken boy lovers, but that was unconfirmed.

According to the newly leaked cable, the then-Ministor of Interior Hanif Atmar worried that if the story became public then lives would be in danger. Atmar also warned that a video of the incident might be released by the media,

"On the Kunduz Regional Training Center (RTC) DynCorp event of April 11 (reftel), Atmar reiterated his insistence that the U.S. try to quash any news article on the incident or circulation of a video connected with it," the cable said.

"Atmar said he insisted the journalist be told that publication would endanger lives. His request was that the U.S. quash the article and release of the video," the cable continued. "Amb Mussomeli responded that going to the journalist would give her the sense that there is a more terrible story to report."


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/contractor-bought-afghan-policemen-drugs-boys-cable-reveals/
 
why did we try to save this country again?


In my opinion, the REAL reason is that our Government saw invading Afghanistan as another opportunity to show the world how us Merikens is better than anyone else. Before us, no invading army had yet been able to conquer the Afghans and they thought, if us Merikens can go in and do what no one else could, well by golly that will be one more way we Merikins is better than the rest of them. And of course, if we gotta bribe them with some little slave boys, what do we care as long as we come out on top.
 
condoning.....

good lord :palm:

That's right...CONDONING!

What kind of sanctions has our Government levied against Dyncorp for selling young boys to Afghanis as reported?

I mean, the story's AWL over the news these days...isn't it?
 
Another example of how Wikileaks is "endangering the lives of our troops"...

NOT!

Our military covering up and condoning the rape of Afghani boys...


US contractor bought Afghan policemen drugs, little boys, cable reveals


US State Dept. called ownership of Afghan 'dancing boys' a 'culturally sanctioned form of male rape'

The Afghanistan interior minister was so concerned about an incident where DynCorp, a US contractor charged with training Afghan police, bought drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" that he asked the US embassy to work to "quash" the story, a secret US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks indicates.

In Afghan society, "dancing boys" are little boys dressed as girls, commonly abused and kept by some men as possessions.

As Joel Brinkley reported for SFGate.com, many Afghan Pashtun tribal men take boys age 9 to 15 as lovers. The US State Department recently called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."

"Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover," wrote Brinkley. "Literally it means 'boy player.' The men like to boast about it."

"Everyone tries to have the best, most handsome and good-looking boy," a former mujahideen commander told Reuters in 2007. "Sometimes we gather and make our boys dance and whoever wins, his boy will be the best boy."

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun. Brinkley's sources say that one or two members of Karzai's family had taken boy lovers, but that was unconfirmed.

According to the newly leaked cable, the then-Ministor of Interior Hanif Atmar worried that if the story became public then lives would be in danger. Atmar also warned that a video of the incident might be released by the media,

"On the Kunduz Regional Training Center (RTC) DynCorp event of April 11 (reftel), Atmar reiterated his insistence that the U.S. try to quash any news article on the incident or circulation of a video connected with it," the cable said.

"Atmar said he insisted the journalist be told that publication would endanger lives. His request was that the U.S. quash the article and release of the video," the cable continued. "Amb Mussomeli responded that going to the journalist would give her the sense that there is a more terrible story to report."


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/contractor-bought-afghan-policemen-drugs-boys-cable-reveals/

There is a long history of this in Afghanistan, it is something that should be exposed not concealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11217772
 
That's right...CONDONING!

What kind of sanctions has our Government levied against Dyncorp for selling young boys to Afghanis as reported?

I mean, the story's AWL over the news these days...isn't it?

oh...so thats condoning....

weird....you must have a different dictionary than the rest us
 
Just to clear up any lexicographical confusion.

con·done
   /kənˈdoʊn/ Show Spelled[kuhn-dohn] Show IPA
–verb (used with object),-doned, -don·ing.
1.
to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
2.
to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.
3.
to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.
4.
to cause the condonation of.
5.
Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/condone

That is all.

(although we won't dwell on the fact that the dictionary has chosen to spell behaviour and offence incorrectly)
 
Just to clear up any lexicographical confusion.



That is all.

(although we won't dwell on the fact that the dictionary has chosen to spell behaviour and offence incorrectly)

Do you notice how he immediately concentrates on a word, like the pedant we know him to be, and totally ignores the disgusting practice of Bacha Bazi. Ironic really, considering that he always bleating that people don't debate the issues.

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That's right...CONDONING!

What kind of sanctions has our Government levied against Dyncorp for selling young boys to Afghanis as reported?

I mean, the story's AWL over the news these days...isn't it?

What I find nauseating as well is how the Bush admin were bleating about British companies using slush funds to gain business in Saudi Arabia and were trying to file charges against BAE

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-464460/BAE-admits-US-anti-corruption-probe-way.html
 
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That's right...CONDONING!

What kind of sanctions has our Government levied against Dyncorp for selling young boys to Afghanis as reported?

I mean, the story's AWL over the news these days...isn't it?

Just to clear up any lexicographical confusion.

con·done
   /kənˈdoʊn/ Show Spelled[kuhn-dohn] Show IPA
–verb (used with object),-doned, -don·ing.
1.
to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
2.
to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.
3.
to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.
4.
to cause the condonation of.
5.
Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/condone

That is all.

(although we won't dwell on the fact that the dictionary has chosen to spell behaviour and offence incorrectly)

Definitions 1 nd 2 sure sounds like what I posted in the OP...the US Government is CONDONING the actions of Dyncorp in Afghanistan.

Since he disagrees, maybe Yurt can explain where EXACTLY I am wrong.
 
charver's definition does nothign to help show the us "condoned" the behavior

once again, we have a failed zappa thread...i don't know if its a reading comprehension problem or a willful disregard of the facts in order to push your world view

its pretty comical that charver claims to have me on ignore, yet he responds to my posts in this thread
 
charver's definition does nothign to help show the us "condoned" the behavior

once again, we have a failed zappa thread...i don't know if its a reading comprehension problem or a willful disregard of the facts in order to push your world view

its pretty comical that charver claims to have me on ignore, yet he responds to my posts in this thread

This is just too cool!

Keep it up...What the US Government has done is a textbook definition of CONDONING what DynCorp did.

Your refusal to admit as much only highlights your inability to admit when you are wrong.
 
This is just too cool!

Keep it up...What the US Government has done is a textbook definition of CONDONING what DynCorp did.

Your refusal to admit as much only highlights your inability to admit when you are wrong.

what are you five? i'm right because i say i'm right....:rolleyes:

nuh uh...classic zappa debate style
 
Ok Yurt, I will bite, how is NOT doing something about this NOT tacitly condoning it. The US Embassy was asked to help quash the story. I KNOW you know what quash means. The US government was advised that a contractor with Dynacorp gave boys to Afghans to be used for sex. If you travel from the US to countries like Thailand for the purpose of having sex with children, you can be prosecuted in the US for it. So I am certain the US could be prosecuting officials from Dynacorp. They are not, ergo they are tacitly condoning the acts.
 
Ok Yurt, I will bite, how is NOT doing something about this NOT tacitly condoning it. The US Embassy was asked to help quash the story. I KNOW you know what quash means. The US government was advised that a contractor with Dynacorp gave boys to Afghans to be used for sex. If you travel from the US to countries like Thailand for the purpose of having sex with children, you can be prosecuted in the US for it. So I am certain the US could be prosecuting officials from Dynacorp. They are not, ergo they are tacitly condoning the acts.

I'm not sure if the stories are true or not; but you made a pretty big leap there, from "...was advised..." to "...US should be prosecuting..." and then to "...tacitly condoning..."!
 
Ok Yurt, I will bite, how is NOT doing something about this NOT tacitly condoning it. The US Embassy was asked to help quash the story. I KNOW you know what quash means. The US government was advised that a contractor with Dynacorp gave boys to Afghans to be used for sex. If you travel from the US to countries like Thailand for the purpose of having sex with children, you can be prosecuted in the US for it. So I am certain the US could be prosecuting officials from Dynacorp. They are not, ergo they are tacitly condoning the acts.

if you read the link....it says the us could legally do nothing

thats a far leap from condoning....

tell me...legally....what could the us do? keep in mind a war is being fought on the ground....
 
Ok Yurt, I will bite, how is NOT doing something about this NOT tacitly condoning it. The US Embassy was asked to help quash the story. I KNOW you know what quash means. The US government was advised that a contractor with Dynacorp gave boys to Afghans to be used for sex. If you travel from the US to countries like Thailand for the purpose of having sex with children, you can be prosecuted in the US for it. So I am certain the US could be prosecuting officials from Dynacorp. They are not, ergo they are tacitly condoning the acts.

I know more than a little about Thailand and after many years of bad press they have instigated some very harsh laws regarding under-age sex. This has had the effect of causing paedophiles to go to neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Vietnam where the laws are far more lax.

With regards to the Afghanistan, Yurt is a total pedant. He is fixated with words but is in complete denial of the bigger picture. There are some very disgusting practices going on in some Muslim countries, one that comes to mind is thighing. Here is a very brave woman on Bahraini TV discussing it.


 
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I know more than a little about Thailand and after many years of bad press they have instigated some very harsh laws regarding under-age sex. This has had the effect of causing paedophiles to go to neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Vietnam where the laws are far more lax.

With regards to the Afghanistan, Yurt is a total pedant. He is fixated with words but is in complete denial of the bigger picture. There are some very disgusting practices going on in some Muslim countries, one that comes to mind is thighing. Here is a very brave woman on Bahraini TV discussing it.


Dailymotion - Madam Ghada Denounces the Thighing - a News & Politics video

so according to tom.....all those who are not "brave" enough to speak out on it are condoning it.....according to tom those who live in a drug filled neighborhood, but cannot do anything to stop the drugs, are condoning the drugs....

why can't you see the difference between being able to do something and condoning...

tell me....what could the US have done that it didn't do that rises to the level of condoning the behavior? do you even have a clue what condoning means? if you have a gun to your head and are asked for your wallet, and you give your wallet, are you condoning that behavior because you could have fought back and taken the gun away, possibly, and denounced such behavior.....give a break.....the US never condoned this behavior, to state such is a total and complete fantasy
 
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