Elizabeth Edwards

[Damocles]

i think that in addition to the joy and happiness that was embodied in her, her ability to fend off life's slings and arrows was amazing - she just kept on trucking with occasional pauses to pick herself up and continue

Yes, she seemed quite an amazing woman who chose the wrong man.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes, she seemed quite an amazing woman who chose the wrong man.

I wouldn't be so judgemental if I was you. Haven't you ever done anything you weren't proud of? This was a personal matter and none of us know the whole story not to mention, it's none of our business.

This is a time for condolences and sympathies. I'm sure Edwards is fully aware of what a schmuck he was and I kinda got a hunch that all the beating up by pundits is nothing compared to how he's probably beating up on himself. What Edwards did to his wife was shameful, be that as it may, he is a human being and my heart felt sympathies go out to him and his entire family for their loss.

For example, as a politician I do not hold George W. Bush in high esteem. He did things to his wife with his alcoholism when he was younger that were down right shameful, but if something, god forbid, were to happen to his lovely wife, my heart would go out to him.

Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

 

[Damocles]

I wouldn't be so judgemental if I was you. Haven't you ever done anything you weren't proud of? This was a personal matter and none of us know the whole story not to mention, it's none of our business.

This is a time for condolences and sympathies. I'm sure Edwards is fully aware of what a schmuck he was and I kinda got a hunch that all the beating up by pundits is nothing compared to how he's probably beating up on himself. What Edwards did to his wife was shameful, be that as it may, he is a human being and my heart felt sympathies go out to him and his entire family for their loss.

For example, as a politician I do not hold George W. Bush in high esteem. He did things to his wife with his alcoholism when he was younger that were down right shameful, but if something, god forbid, were to happen to his lovely wife, my heart would go out to him.

Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

Not like this man. Not like this.

It isn't just a schmuck. A schmuck serves her with divorce papers while she's sick, slime fathers a baby with a paramour while trying to gather votes through sympathy over her terminal illness, at the same time trying to say it was an aide who fathered the child and trying to continue a campaign that was doomed to failure even with that sympathy...

It isn't even close in a contest.

She and her family deserve my respect and sympathy. Her estranged husband deserves no more than the contempt I would personally feel for myself if my actions leaned even slightly in that direction.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Johns a scumbag. I see him as the type that is glad to soon be single again.

I have no kind words for that man.

You'd better hope others don't feel that way when you fuck up. I have no doubts there's nothing anyone can say that can make him feel worse then what he is putting himself through. Did he fuck up? Was what he did shamefull and wrong? Yes it was but he's still a human being and though I do not condone his behavior, he has my deepest sympathies and the hopes that he can find peace and forgiveness for his sins and that he finds redemption for himself personally.

It's so much easier to accept forgiveness from others and to forgive others then it is to forgive your self.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Not like this man. Not like this.

It isn't just a schmuck. A schmuck serves her with divorce papers while she's sick, slime fathers a baby with a paramour while trying to gather votes through sympathy over her terminal illness, at the same time trying to say it was an aide who fathered the child and trying to continue a campaign that was doomed to failure even with that sympathy...

It isn't even close in a contest.

She and her family deserve my respect and sympathy. Her estranged husband deserves no more than the contempt I would personally feel for myself if my actions leaned even slightly in that direction.

I would say then that Elisabeth Edwards is a better person and I will follow her example rather then yours. To err is human, to forgive devine.

That's not just talk Damo.

I've fucked up Damo....I've fucked up big in my life. I have also been sined against and I know what hate is. I know about the redemptive value of forgiveness. I thought I could never forgive myself for some of my sins and I thought I would never forgive the person I hated but I have and I am better for it and by that I don't mean that I am a better person for it so much as I mean I am healed.

 

[Damocles]

I would say then that Elisabeth Edwards is a better person and I will follow her example rather then yours. To err is human, to forgive devine.

That's not just talk Damo.

I've fucked up Damo....I've fucked up big in my life. I have also been sined against and I know what hate is. I know about the redemptive value of forgiveness. I thought I could never forgive myself for some of my sins and I thought I would never forgive the person I hated but I have and I am better for it and by that I don't mean that I am a better person for it so much as I mean I am healed.

You can try to pretend that you have some sort of "high road" you've taken, but the reality is we have standards and this man more than crossed that line. I have respect and sympathy for her and her children. I have none for him, just as I would expect none if I acted like him.

I have no "hate" for John, and in a way I sympathize because I know what kind of contempt I would feel for myself if I acted this way. But I don't sympathize for his "loss" here. He lost that amazing woman long before this.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You can try to pretend that you have some sort of "high road" you've taken, but the reality is we have standards and this man more than crossed that line. I have respect and sympathy for her and her children. I have none for him, just as I would expect none if I acted like him.

I have no "hate" for John, and in a way I sympathize because I know what kind of contempt I would feel for myself if I acted this way. But I don't sympathize for his "loss" here. He lost that amazing woman long before this.

Not from what I read. If I'm to believe the sources, she forgave him before she passed on. A grand gesture on her part.

 

[Damocles]

Not from what I read. If I'm to believe the sources, she forgave him before she passed on. A grand gesture on her part.

Again, a sign of what he lost so long ago.

Let's say my wife went and did something equally terrible to me. I'd "forgive" her so that she could be part of my kids lives, but that doesn't mean she gets to continue being my lover and wife. It was the same in this case. He was estranged from her and had lost her long before this day...

I feel no sorrow for her estranged husband's "loss" when she died, he lost that woman long before then. And deservedly so.

You can try to say that my contempt for him is undeserved, but you are wrong. It would be hypocritical for me to believe you should forgive me for trying to buy your vote with sympathy for my dying wife, then not forgive him. But I would never expect you to forgive me for that.

 

[Canceled2]

Again, a sign of what he lost so long ago.

Let's say my wife went and did something equally terrible to me. I'd "forgive" her so that she could be part of my kids lives, but that doesn't mean she gets to continue being my lover and wife. It was the same in this case. He was estranged from her and had lost her long before this day...

I feel no sorrow for her estranged husband's "loss" when she died, he lost that woman long before then. And deservedly so.

You can try to say that my contempt for him is undeserved, but you are wrong. It would be hypocritical for me to believe you should forgive me for trying to buy your vote with sympathy for my dying wife, then not forgive him. But I would never expect you to forgive me for that.

Holding someone in contempt for what they did to another is not equal to hating them. John Edwards put himself in a position through his actions to have the contempt of the American people. Forgiving him is not neccesary to not hate him...I don't even know him to hate him. I do however know of what he did and I find him contemptable.

 

[Canceled1]

I wouldn't be so judgemental if I was you. Haven't you ever done anything you weren't proud of? This was a personal matter and none of us know the whole story not to mention, it's none of our business.

This is a time for condolences and sympathies. I'm sure Edwards is fully aware of what a schmuck he was and I kinda got a hunch that all the beating up by pundits is nothing compared to how he's probably beating up on himself. What Edwards did to his wife was shameful, be that as it may, he is a human being and my heart felt sympathies go out to him and his entire family for their loss.

For example, as a politician I do not hold George W. Bush in high esteem. He did things to his wife with his alcoholism when he was younger that were down right shameful, but if something, god forbid, were to happen to his lovely wife, my heart would go out to him.

Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

This is a discussion forum and we are discussing Elizabeth Edward's life. Part of her life was the betrayal by her husband. Not only that, but she spoke openly of it too and how it affected her and shaped her.

It is perfectly natural to discuss this and the reality is John Edwards did a nasty thing and he did it to Elizabeth. His actions do not mar the lovely life she lead and her character as a person.

To suggest over and over that we should not discuss it because you are offended is a bit ridiculous. It's part of the overall sadness and an expression of grief at her passing.

Don't read, if it upsets you.