Actions have consiquences!!!

Jarod said:
I have never sugested that Palin wanted anyone shot. My point has always been, has not changed due to this shooting, that such violent imagery is ilresponsable and serves to ratchet up the rhetoric. I do belive its a tip of the hat to those who are angery, hatefull, people like DIXIE it makes those people like her even more. I belive its ilresponsable to tip your hat to those people, I also belive some who are already off ballance might devine some encouragement from the tone. (intended or not)
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Right. Suggesting we target specific seats in a political year has "consequences"...

It's B.S. plain and simple. Hyperbolic nonsense using a tragedy to attempt to promote your own political agenda and attempt to silence others who do not share your view.
 
Damocles said:
Still baseless. Again, 40 years of control, not one "conservative" killing politicos...

History shows the statement of Jarod's to be baseless hyperbole created wholly from his imagination.
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Depends on how you define "politicos".

If Giffords wasn't killed, it wasn't for lack of trying. The shooter and his accomplices (if any) may or may not be "conservatives", but you don't know yet, and neither does anyone else.

Who mailed bombs and "anthrax" to Democrats?

Who shot and killed abortion doctors?

Who bombed and set fires at abortion clinics?

Who blew up the Murrah buliding?

Who flew a plane into an IRS office?

Are you saying the perpetrators of these acts were not conservatives?

Or is it because their victims weren't "politicos" that you choose to ignore the virulent rhetoric of the right?
 
Mojo said:
Depends on how you define "politicos".

If Giffords wasn't killed, it wasn't for lack of trying. The shooter and his accomplices (if any) may or may not be "conservatives", but you don't know yet, and neither does anyone else.

Who mailed bombs and "anthrax" to Democrats?

Who shot and killed abortion doctors?

Who bombed and set fires at abortion clinics?

Who blew up the Murrah buliding?

Who flew a plane into an IRS office?

Are you saying the perpetrators of these acts were not conservatives?

Or is it because their victims weren't "politicos" that you choose to ignore the virulent rhetoric of the right?
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If Giffords has been mortally wounded it won't be because of Sarah Palin, nor because any mainstream politico like Sarah posted rubbish that tried to garner support in votes for a different candidate. We look through history to see all this "when they lose conservatives start to kill people" and we find it is rubbish. Lunatics kill people constantly, and usually the left will attempt to use the tragedy to promote some political agenda. Lunatics in a school? Make "no gun" zones at schools, that will solve it!

It's simply an attempt to use a tragedy to silence others who do not share your political view. It is weak and irresponsible to attempt to paint half of the nation with this nonsense.
 
Damo, your question leads me to ask, do you belive the Conservatives have tried everything such that we are in any approaching a time when its approperate to start using rhetoric indicating that violence will be justified?
 
The things he posted before the shooting weren't like a teabagger. They weren't even particularly angry. They were surreal and nonsensical.
 
Damocles said:
If Giffords has been mortally wounded it won't be because of Sarah Palin, nor because any mainstream politico like Sarah posted rubbish that tried to garner support in votes for a different candidate. We look through history to see all this "when they lose conservatives start to kill people" and we find it is rubbish. Lunatics kill people constantly, and usually the left will attempt to use the tragedy to promote some political agenda. Lunatics in a school? Make "no gun" zones at schools, that will solve it!

It's simply an attempt to use a tragedy to silence others who do not share your political view. It is weak and irresponsible to attempt to paint half of the nation with this nonsense.
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My response was to show a pattern of violent acts by people who are conservative.

The fact is that you simply don't know what motivated the suspect in this case, do you?

Did I say I wanted to "silence" anyone?

As to your reference to "others who do not share" my "political view", tell me; what is my political view.

You don't know, do you?
 
Jarod said:
Damo, your question leads me to ask, do you belive the Conservatives have tried everything such that we are in any approaching a time when its approperate to start using rhetoric indicating that violence will be justified?
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Do you believe that conservatives may not be one organism and that some few may think differently than others? Do you believe that this, according to friends, communist left-leaning nut was somehow "conservative"?
 
Mojo said:
My response was to show a pattern of violent acts by people who are conservative.

The fact is that you simply don't know what motivated the suspect in this case, do you?

Did I say I wanted to "silence" anyone?

As to your reference to "others who do not share" my "political view", tell me; what is my political view.

You don't know, do you?
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I know that nobody believed that Sarah suggested people shoot those people. Including this lunatic, who to all accounts from people who knew him was left-wing. I doubt such a person took marching orders from Sarah's suggestion that people vote her out of office.

I think it is foolish in the extreme to say on one hand "we don't know" and yet still try to blame (by suggesting this was a direct consequence from) a political rival. I believe that it is hypocrisy to do so, and have pointed out why. I then used history to show that historically conservatives do not "start shooting", as Jarod suggested, as "soon as they lose at the ballot box"...

It's BS, and both you and he know it.
 
Damocles said:
I know that nobody believed that Sarah suggested people shoot those people. Including this lunatic, who to all accounts from people who knew him was left-wing. I doubt such a person took marching orders from Sarah's suggestion that people vote her out of office.

I think it is foolish in the extreme to say on one hand "we don't know" and yet still try to blame (by suggesting this was a direct consequence from) a political rival.
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Damo, its hard to believe you commented on Mojo's taunt. The fact that he has not stated his views (according to him) while condemning everyone else's views puts him squarely in the troll category.
 
Damocles said:
I know that nobody believed that Sarah suggested people shoot those people. Including this lunatic, who to all accounts from people who knew him was left-wing. I doubt such a person took marching orders from Sarah's suggestion that people vote her out of office.

I think it is foolish in the extreme to say on one hand "we don't know" and yet still try to blame (by suggesting this was a direct consequence from) a political rival.
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Nice dodge.

I've seen one reference by a schoolmate to the "left-wing" affiliation of the suspect, harking back to 2007.

Are you stating that the suspect was a politically-motivated leftist?

I think what people are saying is that the heated rhetoric may contribute to acts of violence by some individuals.

Tell me what you think of this:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/24/tea_party_gun_nut.jpg
 
"Hello, and welcome my classified leak of information that's of the United States Military to the student body and you. Firstly, I want you to understand this from the start. Did you know grammar is double blind, listener? Secondly, if you want to understand the start of revelatory thoughts then listen to this video. I'll look at you (expletive) Anarchists who have a problem with them illegal illiterate pigs. :-D If you're a citizen in the United States as of now, then your constitution is the United States. You're a citizen in the United States as of now. Thus, your constitution is the United States. Laugh. I'll let you in on their little cruel joke that's genocidal. They're argument is appeal to force on their jurisdiction with lack of proof of evidence. Each subject is in question for the location!"

I mean, WTF?
 
WinterBorn said:
Damo, its hard to believe you commented on Mojo's taunt. The fact that he has not stated his views (according to him) while condemning everyone else's views puts him squarely in the troll category.
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Please, post a link to my posts "condemning everyone else's views".
 
Damocles said:
Right. Suggesting we target specific seats in a political year has "consequences"...

It's B.S. plain and simple. Hyperbolic nonsense using a tragedy to attempt to promote your own political agenda and attempt to silence others who do not share your view.
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Sure that has consiquences, and okay consiquences... but when you use cross hairs to do so, you cause other consiquences...
 
Mojo said:
Nice dodge.

I've seen one reference by a schoolmate to the "left-wing" affiliation of the suspect, harking back to 2007.

Are you stating that the suspect was a politically-motivated leftist?

I think what people are saying is that the heated rhetoric may contribute to acts of violence by some individuals.

Tell me what you think of this:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/24/tea_party_gun_nut.jpg
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I am suggesting that saying you "don't know" while attempting to condemn political rivals is hypocritical and irresponsible. Even if you post silly pictures.
 
Jarod said:
Sure that has consiquences, and okay consiquences... but when you use cross hairs to do so, you cause other consiquences...
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Just another obvious attempt to blame a politically different view by attempting to suggest they have promoted what we all know they did not.

Do you believe that emotionally based divisive rhetoric should be avoided only when it is from people with an opposing view or will you take your own advise and tone it down a bit?
 
So who will condemn the dem who talked about having a bullseye on certain districts where they were weak?

I didn't see any objections to those words.
 
Dr. Fetus said:
"Hello, and welcome my classified leak of information that's of the United States Military to the student body and you. Firstly, I want you to understand this from the start. Did you know grammar is double blind, listener? Secondly, if you want to understand the start of revelatory thoughts then listen to this video. I'll look at you (expletive) Anarchists who have a problem with them illegal illiterate pigs. :-D If you're a citizen in the United States as of now, then your constitution is the United States. You're a citizen in the United States as of now. Thus, your constitution is the United States. Laugh. I'll let you in on their little cruel joke that's genocidal. They're argument is appeal to force on their jurisdiction with lack of proof of evidence. Each subject is in question for the location!"

I mean, WTF?
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palin, rush, beck caused him to right that

:rolleyes:
 
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