Egyptian Riots

Lowaicue said:
I have been waiting for someone out there to catch up with what we have been seeing and reading about for the last four days.
It rather looks as if you (USA) have backed the wrong guy again.
Don't think I'll come to anyone over there for horse racing tips!
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Oh horse racing you'd do fine....ME geopolitics....not so good.
 
Lowaicue said:
I am not stating my preference, simply that once again an American puppet is about to be rmoved.
We hope the movement will spread, I would love to see Had-yer-dinner-Dad? looking for a new home.
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You grossly misread the situation in Egypt if you think Mubarek is an American puppet.
 
Threedee said:
Or we could just turn the bearded guy loose on Israel. I personally see no benefit to the US one way or the other... Seeing Israel destroyed would just be one less thing for Americans to bitch about.
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LOL You're close to the heart of the matter. It's the US unilateral support for Israel that is the main source of our problems in the ME. I'm not for abandoning them but our policy towards Israel is asinine and needs to be moderated. The problem is, evengelical christians in our country will never let that happen.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL You're close to the heart of the matter. It's the US unilateral support for Israel that is the main source of our problems in the ME. I'm not for abandoning them but our policy towards Israel is asinine and needs to be moderated. The problem is, evengelical christians in our country will never let that happen.
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that would be the fundamentalists, not the evangelicals....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that would be the fundamentalists, not the evangelicals....
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You're splitting hairs. A large percentage of evengelicals are also fundamentalist and even those evengelicals who are not fundamentalist a very large percentage of them advocate unilateral support of Israel based on "end of times" theology.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You grossly misread the situation in Egypt if you think Mubarek is an American puppet.
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Then I am not alone.

'The U.S. keeps Mubarak in power-it gave his regime $1.5 billion in aid last year-mainly because he supports America's pro-Israel policies, especially by helping Israel maintain its stranglehold on Gaza. It supports Abbas for the same reason: he is seen as willing to compromise with Israel, and therefore a desirable negotiating partner. This was confirmed, to Abbas's great embarrassment, by Wikileaks cables that show how eager he has been to meet Israeli demands, even collaborating with Israeli security forces to arrest Palestinians he dislikes. American support for Mubarak and Abbas continues, although neither man is in power with any figment of legality; Mubarak brazenly stage-manages elections, and Abbas has ruled by decree since his term of office expired in 2009.'MSN
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You're splitting hairs. A large percentage of evengelicals are also fundamentalist and even those evengelicals who are not fundamentalist a very large percentage of them advocate unilateral support of Israel based on "end of times" theology.
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and if I claimed the Pope was the head of the Mormons would I just be splitting hairs?......

evangelical has for decades meant something completely different than fundamentalist, in fact the term was specifically coined to distinguish people FROM fundamentalists.........it's only been since Bush was elected that the media has lazily declined to recognize the difference.....

no historical evangelical group believes modern day Israel has anything to do with end times theology....
 
From what I am reading the Obama admin quietly pulled this cord, after Mubarak refused to implement Democratic reforms.
 
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Jarod said:
From what I am reading the Obama admin quietly pulled this cord, after Mubarak refused to implement Democratic reforms.
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So we're back in the business of toppling foreign governments again....
but this time you're in favor of it (because a Dim. sits in White House):palm:
why am I not surprised.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and if I claimed the Pope was the head of the Mormons would I just be splitting hairs?......

evangelical has for decades meant something completely different than fundamentalist, in fact the term was specifically coined to distinguish people FROM fundamentalists.........it's only been since Bush was elected that the media has lazily declined to recognize the difference.....

no historical evangelical group believes modern day Israel has anything to do with end times theology....
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The theology of dispensationalism, which sadly encompasses a number of denominational and non-denominational groups, subscribes to Premillennial Dispensationalism, which does insist that there is a neccesary course of events tied to Israel that will usher in the reurn of Christ. This is a modern error of end time eschatology and differs greatly from Historical Premillennialism. There are 3 biblical eschatological views that can be defended biblically- I submit that the Tim LaHaye view of Premillennial Dispensationalism, or 4th view, can be biblically excoriated and summarily dismissed.

The use of the term fundamentalism or fundamentalist by the unchurched as a negative term is just silly semantics. The attempt is to demean; marginalize and or demonize Christians. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity are nothing to be embarrassed about. Evangelicalism is likewise a term that simply describes what Christians should be doing. The attempts of secularists to marginalize Christianity by using these terms in a pejorative manner, is obvious.
 
Ice Dancer said:
The theology of dispensationalism, which sadly encompasses a number of denominational and non-denominational groups, subscribes to Premillennial Dispensationalism, which does insist that there is a neccesary course of events tied to Israel that will usher in the reurn of Christ. This is a modern error of end time eschatology and differs greatly from Historical Premillennialism. There are 3 biblical eschatological views that can be defended biblically- I submit that the Tim LaHaye view of Premillennial Dispensationalism, or 4th view, can be biblically excoriated and summarily dismissed.

The use of the term fundamentalism or fundamentalist by the unchurched as a negative term is just silly semantics. The attempt is to demean; marginalize and or demonize Christians. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity are nothing to be embarrassed about. Evangelicalism is likewise a term that simply describes what Christians should be doing. The attempts of secularists to marginalize Christianity by using these terms in a pejorative manner, is obvious.
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The unchurched?? So presumably that makes you one of the churched?
 
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Ice Dancer said:
The theology of dispensationalism, which sadly encompasses a number of denominational and non-denominational groups, subscribes to Premillennial Dispensationalism, which does insist that there is a neccesary course of events tied to Israel that will usher in the reurn of Christ. This is a modern error of end time eschatology and differs greatly from Historical Premillennialism. There are 3 biblical eschatological views that can be defended biblically- I submit that the Tim LaHaye view of Premillennial Dispensationalism, or 4th view, can be biblically excoriated and summarily dismissed.

The use of the term fundamentalism or fundamentalist by the unchurched as a negative term is just silly semantics. The attempt is to demean; marginalize and or demonize Christians. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity are nothing to be embarrassed about. Evangelicalism is likewise a term that simply describes what Christians should be doing. The attempts of secularists to marginalize Christianity by using these terms in a pejorative manner, is obvious.
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Fundamentalism and Evangelist are terms created by the church, back in the 30s to identify those denominations those who felt the most important duty of the church was to uphold certain fundamental beliefs against encroachment by liberal elements and those who believed the most important duty of the church was evangelism......

secularists have used both terms to marginalize Christians, but then, that's precisely what you would expect from secularists....

as for dispensationalism, my denomination belongs to the "who gives a fuck" theory.....amillenialists believe the only thing we need to know is Jesus is coming back....
 
Scoresheet:

Dixie- You are correct about me. I believe some men are more deserving of freedom than others. At least, however, if the Egypians are willing to fight for it, that is something...

Mott- You are wrong. We won't have any less problems from the ME if we do stop supporting Israel, but they will have one less piece of propaganda to use in public trashing us. As an American, I have no reason to support Israel. I'm not Jewish, I don't live over there, American Jews do not tend to vote the same way as me, so I don't see why trying to make them happy about Israel matters one iota; and so on and so forth. Plus, I get tired of hearing people bitch about teh evilz of teh Isrealz. I personally think the state should never have been established, because anyone who wasn't a moron could tell what a mess it would create. I'm perfectly willing to concede that it has a right to defend itself, as an established state after the fact, but I don't see why my money should pay for it.
 
Are we recruiting dictators from the girl scouts these days? Where's some fucking heads on pikes? Line the highway into Cairo with people being crucified, and they'll STFU right quick.
 
Old Fezzywig said:
We'll see how this plays out. I think it's more a general want for democracy than a want for an Islamic republic.
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There are democratic elements and there are Islamist elements. The Islamists probably have the balls here (that's why they usually come out on top in revolutions, even when they're the minority), but we can wait and see. In Tunisia, at least, the Islamist elements at least claim that they have secular aims.
 
Dixie said:
You have a very troubling perspective, it's almost as if you are saying, some men are better than others, some men deserve freedom more than others. My guess is, you would certainly not enjoy or appreciate living under autocratic authority, but you seem more than willing to support this system for others.

I have a very close Iraqi friend, her brother was killed by Saddam. He was tortured for several days, because he was observed speaking to the wrong person. This was commonplace in Iraq, and anyone who lived there during the reign of Saddam Hussein, can testify to this fact. But that was "perfect" for you, because it was less intrusive and easier for you to do. You had rather make stupid excuses for why you're better off, than to actually help someone or create a better condition for them. I'm glad I am not that shallow and self-absorbed.

26,000,000 individual human beings..... think about that number, each one is a life... kids, parents, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives.... all kinds of imaginations, all kinds of talents, all kinds of personalities and interests... all unique individuals, who now have a political voice in their government, and a chance to enjoy the benefits of freedom and democracy for themselves, just as you currently seem to take for granted. 26 Mil... that's a bunch of folks... How many do you suppose, would opine and long for the days of Saddam?

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500 billion dollars and a million dead for a government that's hardly better than the previous one. Well, that's a great return on investment.
 
Ice Dancer said:
The theology of dispensationalism, which sadly encompasses a number of denominational and non-denominational groups, subscribes to Premillennial Dispensationalism, which does insist that there is a neccesary course of events tied to Israel that will usher in the reurn of Christ. This is a modern error of end time eschatology and differs greatly from Historical Premillennialism. There are 3 biblical eschatological views that can be defended biblically- I submit that the Tim LaHaye view of Premillennial Dispensationalism, or 4th view, can be biblically excoriated and summarily dismissed.

The use of the term fundamentalism or fundamentalist by the unchurched as a negative term is just silly semantics. The attempt is to demean; marginalize and or demonize Christians. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity are nothing to be embarrassed about. Evangelicalism is likewise a term that simply describes what Christians should be doing. The attempts of secularists to marginalize Christianity by using these terms in a pejorative manner, is obvious.
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Dispensationalists are anything but biblical literalists. They slice and dice the bible like crazy to get the views they do. Fundamentalist really isn't even the appropriate word for these guys.
 
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