Egyptian Riots

PostmodernProphet said:
Fundamentalism and Evangelist are terms created by the church, back in the 30s to identify those denominations those who felt the most important duty of the church was to uphold certain fundamental beliefs against encroachment by liberal elements and those who believed the most important duty of the church was evangelism......

secularists have used both terms to marginalize Christians, but then, that's precisely what you would expect from secularists....

as for dispensationalism, my denomination belongs to the "who gives a fuck" theory.....amillenialists believe the only thing we need to know is Jesus is coming back....
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They have a good argument for that view- Though historic premillenialists have a fairly solid biblical defense as well. In the end what matters is the end- :)
 
So the US has been paying Mubarak billions of U.S. tax dollars per year, while "encouraging" him to be a bit less autocratic and "listen" to his people.

This has resulted in years of Mubarak controlling Egypt through the use of secret police, torture, repression and censorship.

Now there is a reaction (that the West is actually taking notice of) the spin is what? That the Islamists are behind it all?

Well, if anyone was paying attention then they'd realise this whole protest movement started off with the students and the call from the 'Muslim Brotherhood' to take to the streets was hardly decisive in inflating the, already quite sizeable, numbers on the streets.

Nevertheless, there's money tied up in Mubarak so he'll probably cling on to power for as long as the powers that be identify a successor to bleed the country dry on their behalf.
 
charver said:
So the US has been paying Mubarak billions of U.S. tax dollars per year, while "encouraging" him to be a bit less autocratic and "listen" to his people.

This has resulted in years of Mubarak controlling Egypt through the use of secret police, torture, repression and censorship.

Now there is a reaction (that the West is actually taking notice of) the spin is what? That the Islamists are behind it all?

Well, if anyone was paying attention then they'd realise this whole protest movement started off with the students and the call from the 'Muslim Brotherhood' to take to the streets was hardly decisive in inflating the, already quite sizeable, numbers on the streets.

Nevertheless, there's money tied up in Mubarak so he'll probably cling on to power for as long as the powers that be identify a successor to bleed the country dry on their behalf.
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As if Europe has not thoroughly participated in propping up Africa's dictators.
 
Ice Dancer said:
As if Europe has not thoroughly participated in propping up Africa's dictators.
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Well done, you are following in our terrible mistakes.

Does that make your heart swell?

Although we actually ruled the place rather than adopt puppets.

And we got out.
 
I don't think anyway is suggesting that Mubarak is good, and that his enemies are our enemies. I, however, am suggesting that his people, as with all ME populations, require an autocrat such as him, or they will come to support or be ruled by Islamists who are our enemies.
 
Threedee said:
I don't think anyway is suggesting that Mubarak is good, and that his enemies are our enemies. I, however, am suggesting that his people, as with all ME populations, require an autocrat such as him, or they will come to support or be ruled by Islamists who are our enemies.
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correct. as i understand islamic philosophy, there is no room for democracy or a republic. there must be one ruler.
 
charver said:
Well done, you are following in our terrible mistakes.

Does that make your heart swell?

Although we actually ruled the place rather than adopt puppets.

And we got out.
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No, I was not refering to the Ottoman Empire, but the modern day support of Europe to dictators like Murbarak and I was also addressing people like you who like to focus only on US support of said dictators...Have you forgotten things like this?
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Prime Minister Tony Blair has held talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak at his country residence Chequers.

The talks focused on internal impetus for reform within the region, as well as engagement with partners from outside the area, said a Downing Street spokesman.

The meeting came ahead of tomorrow's visit to London of the new Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei, who is expected to be urged to take steps to revive the stalled Middle East peace process.

Mr Blair and Mr Mubarak spoke one-on-one, with no officials present, in the Egyptian premier's first visit to the UK since June 2002.

Egypt is a key ally of the UK in the Middle East and was one of the first Muslim countries to pledge support for the international fight against terrorism following September 11.

Mr Blair has deepened his personal connection with the country with winter holidays there over the past few years.

The two men last met during Mr Blair's break at Red Sea resort Sharm el-Sheikh at the New Year. Downing Street said that they remain in regular touch by telephone, as would be expected for such an important bilateral relationship.
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw last week highlighted the issue of reform in the Middle East with a call for more "participative and representative" government in Arab countries.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-299559/Blair-Mubarak.html#ixzz1CUSH1NtU
 
Yurt said:
correct. as i understand islamic philosophy, there is no room for democracy or a republic. there must be one ruler.
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The concept of the Ummah, the community, has always blended the political with the religious, and all other aspects pertaining to a unified community.
 
tom prendergast said:
It is a never ceasing wonder to us Brits what lengths some Americans will go to fuck up a beautiful language. I thought burglarized was bad enough!
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It's never a ceasing wonder to us Americans how arrogant and pompous condescension passes for 'coolness' to a Brit. You'd think people who live in a bog with bad teeth and who bow to a queen, would be more humble....
 
Threedee said:
I don't think anyway is suggesting that Mubarak is good, and that his enemies are our enemies. I, however, am suggesting that his people, as with all ME populations, require an autocrat such as him, or they will come to support or be ruled by Islamists who are our enemies.
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Not really. Islam is a Noahide Compliant religion.
 
Dixie said:
It's never a ceasing wonder to us Americans how arrogant and pompous condescension passes for 'coolness' to a Brit. You'd think people who live in a bog with bad teeth and who bow to a queen, would be more humble....
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You are actually one of the better practitioners of English on this site, much of it is nonsense of course but at least it is grammatically and correctly spelled nonsense.
 
Dixie said:
It's never a ceasing wonder to us Americans how arrogant and pompous condescension passes for 'coolness' to a Brit. You'd think people who live in a bog with bad teeth and who bow to a queen, would be more humble....
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So instead of spouting nonsense, just for a change tell me if you are happy with this recent trend to make nouns into verbs and create new adjectives by adding a prefix to a noun?
 
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Threedee said:
Explain their general contempt for zionism and the Jews these days, if that is truly the case.
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Hmmmm.
Rishonim
Maimonides strongly put forth the view that Muslims were not idolaters. Although, to be sure, Islam was heresy,[18] this did not stop Maimonides from expressing a positive view about Islam - or even about Christianity, which he considered to be idolatry.[19] He ruled that although Islam and Christianity are both in error, they still have some value in that they prepare the world eventually to accept the sovereignty of G-d[20]
In Maimonides' system there was one point on which Christianity, although idolatrous, actually stood above Islam. The Talmud states that it is forbidden to teach Torah to non-Jews, and this interdiction is clasified as halacha by Maimonides. However, he makes an exception for Christians, because they believe in the same text of the Bible as the Jews and it is thus possible that, after having studied, they will recognize the error of their ways. For Muslims, however, because they do not accept that the five books of Moses are Divine, such a possibility is not to be considered. It is, therefore, forbidden to teach them Torah.[21]
However from this ruling, one can conclude nothing about the basic worth of Christianity vis-a-vis Islam. The prohibition to teach Torah to Muslims was due to the specific reason cited, and did not speak to any of the broader issues involved in evaluating their religion. In appears that it is Islam that was more favorable in Maimonides' eyes. As we have seen, according to him, both Christianity and Islam have a positive role to play in the world. However, with regard to Islam, despite certain critical comments regarding Muhammed,[22] the fact that Islam is not idolatry creates a crucial distinction between it and Christianity and leads to numerous consequences, both in law and theology. David Novak argues that this explains Malmonides' belief that Muslims, as sons of Ishmael, are required to circumcize their sons.[23] Maimonides rules that although a Jew may not obtain benefit from wine handled by a Christian, that is not the case with regard to a Muslim. However, Maimonides does agree with the view of the Geonim that it is still not permissible to drink this wine. According to Maimonides, this ruling was supported by "all the Geonim"[24] According to R. Asher of Montanzon[25] Maimonides saw the works of "all the Geonim." The Radbaz was of the same opinion [26] However, it is not clear that this really means "all" as there were Geonim who do not agree with this position[27], Nahmanides says that "some Geonim" agree with the law as codified by Maimonides.[28] and, as we have already noted, this stringency had nothing to do with Islam as a religion but was to prevent socialization with non-Jews generally.
http://en.wikinoah.org/index.php/Islam_and_Noahide_Law
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If Muslims are not idolators, then why are they not Ger Toshav? Maimonides was of the opinion that a Muslim cannot be a Ger Toshav,[42] because it is forbidden for a non-Jews to create a religion. He rules according to the view that any non-Jewish religious system is illicit and the only alternatives for non-Jews are conversion or observance of the Seven Laws of Noah. This ruling by Maimonides is understood by many commentators to exclude any other religious system by definition.[43]
Although almost all achronim agree with Maimonides that Islam is not idolatry, most disagree that any non-Jewish religious system is illicit by definition. Rather than being seen as a religion in itself, most authorities hold that the Seven Laws are foundation of a proper religion.
 
Dixie said:
I am much more in favor of creating whole new words, rather than changing the definitions of old ones.
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Totally agree. So can we assume then that you will, in future, use the words 'Commie', 'Communist', 'Liberal' and others correctly?
 
Lowaicue said:
Totally agree. So can we assume then that you will, in future, use the words 'Commie', 'Communist', 'Liberal' and others correctly?
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I already use them correctly, and you forgot Socialist and Socialism.

Liberals advocate socialism, which ultimately leads to communism, which becomes corrupted by commies.
 
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