SmarterthanYou
rebel
It appears now that this could escalate in to a major international incident as the mexican government is asking for extradition of any and all agents involved in running guns to mexico.
the ATF has some 'splaining' to do
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Hopefully it results in the end of the ATF.
I want to thank you guys for this thread.
Now apply your scrutiny to DHS, the real secret police of the our hijacked-government/globalists controllers. They let the fed bankers destroy our dollar. It's already too late. In 16 months, we're going to need $6 for a gallon of gas. Insiders have planned $200 a barrel (at the devalued $ level) for the oil.
Then come the COL increases for government employees and the associated tax increases to the american citizens, which of course will have been factored into all the government employee salaries. Most of us unfortunate enough to have jobs that are in the public sector (like me! self-employed) are unlikely to see any increase in income.
Our government jobs then become even more attractive. People will literally kill for those kinds of jobs. Think foriegn mercenaries. They're already training them.
I don't want to link to their site so I'll link to a wiki of a protest group
School of the Americas Watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now apply your scrutiny to DHS, the real secret police of the our hijacked-government/globalists controllers. They let the fed bankers destroy our dollar. It's already too late. In 16 months, we're going to need $6 for a gallon of gas. Insiders have planned $200 a barrel (at the devalued $ level) for the oil.
Then come the COL increases for government employees and the associated tax increases to the american citizens, which of course will have been factored into all the government employee salaries. Most of us unfortunate enough to have jobs that are in the public sector (like me! self-employed) are unlikely to see any increase in income.
Our government jobs then become even more attractive. People will literally kill for those kinds of jobs. Think foriegn mercenaries. They're already training them.
I don't want to link to their site so I'll link to a wiki of a protest group
School of the Americas Watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Wow, what an awesome brainwave to fight the cartels. Fucking awesome!!
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and the Obama admin is trying to sidestep the criminal actions of the ATF by changing policies on private sales. the ATF needs to be disbanded immediately.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
That's pure supposition and conjecture on your part, STY. I have no problem in laying blame where it's deserved, but I'll wait for what actually happens as a result of investigations, etc.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
while my post isn't intended to actually lay blame at Obama's doorstep, the ATF is a branch of the executive office, Obamas domain. And instead of pushing forward with an investigation of who in his department is violating federal law, he seems to be pushing for even further restriction on our personal rights and liberties.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Apparently it isn't private entities that are irresponsible with firearms, but public ones. Who knew?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Again, you're jumping the gun before any results of an investigation are being presented. Your opinion, STY, is NOT fact.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Apparently, YOU overlook the myriad of instances throughout the USA of irresponsible actions by private entities regarding firearms that have been documented over the decades, and dance with glee as to the this gov't screw-up as if it wipes out the former.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
maybe you haven't been listening to a whole lot of news because of the japan thing going, but Obama has made statements in the last few days about having a new gun policy forum where he's going to try to sidestep congress on eliminating private firearms transactions.
Apparently you overlook the instances of the very agency tasked with preventing straw purchases of firearms, actually encouraging them in the hopes of making a headlining bust.
This isn't just my opinion, this is the documented news stories by inside agent whistleblowers.
or is it ok when the government does it when it's a Democrat president?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
We've done this dance already....no sense in repeating it. You have your opinion, I have my response. If you want to have the last word repeating the same thing, go for it.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
maybe you haven't been listening to a whole lot of news because of the japan thing going, but Obama has made statements in the last few days about having a new gun policy forum where he's going to try to sidestep congress on eliminating private firearms transactions.
Really? Care to provide the FULL CONTEXT of this statement. If indeed YOU have been paying attention to this, then providing an accurate, valid link to support your assertion should be no problem for you. YOU made the assertion, the burden of proof is on YOU, STY.
Apparently you overlook the instances of the very agency tasked with preventing straw purchases of firearms, actually encouraging them in the hopes of making a headlining bust.
This isn't just my opinion, this is the documented news stories by inside agent whistleblowers.
see above responses.
or is it ok when the government does it when it's a Democrat president?
You're determined to pick a fight were there is none, STY.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
You're pretending that the actions of the ATF are normal screw-ups, when in fact they are extremely reckless and fucked up. Idiot.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Outside of your Threedee imagination, I have stated no such thing on this thread regarding the ATF and the situation being discussed.
Essentially, you and STY have an axe to grind, and lying about what I post seems to be part of that axe.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
You, idiot, are trying to play this whole story off as though its insignificant. So, I detect only one lier in this bloody thread.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Repeating ThreeDee's assertion and proving it valid beyond opinion are two completely different animals, my breast obsessed friend. I suggest you get an adult you trust to explain that to you. You may continue to repeat your opinion, as I will only respond if you can factually prove it.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
MUST.... Defend.... Federal.... Government....
Very good, leftist, you still know how to support the establishment. You get a cookie.
Very good, leftist, you still know how to support the establishment. You get a cookie.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Thank you.
Now, you stated, ".... Obama has made statements in the last few days about having a new gun policy forum where he's going to try to sidestep congress on eliminating private firearms transactions.."
I've high-lighted those four words of yours because while the article you linked does show Obama and company trying to formulate paths around a currently GOP controlled Congress and the powerful NRA lobby, NO WHERE does the article state what YOU, STY, have asserted here. If you can find the actual quote, please produce it as I've might have missed it....but I read the article and it's sub-linked article TWICE, and did not find your quote.
Perhaps you were referring to this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/chuck-schumer-michael-bloomberg-gun-checks_n_827497.html
But again, nowhere does this article contain a reported proposal that would do as you assert. The problem you and other gunners have, STY, is that you perceive ANY legislation regarding weapons ownership and transaction as a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment and an precursor to outright banning/confiscation of private ownership of guns.
Again, Nowhere in either article is there a call for "eliminating private firearms transactions".....that is YOUR personal perception, which is actually a distortion of the propsals given. In effect, STY, YOU are falsely representing what others are saying.
Well, you wanted to pick a fight here, and now you've got one. Like I said before, I have NO PROBLEM letting the ATF get it's just desserts should and investigation prove them liable for the Mexican gun run fiasco, and I have NO PROBLEM with laying blame on the Obama administration if they try to soft soap this. I do, however, have a problem when gunners essentially distort, misrepresent, exaggerated and lie about gun laws and gun law proposals.