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Jarod said:
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"if religion didn't exist, spirituality wouldn't exist."
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That's YOUR quote, moron! I didn't say that! IF Religion did not exist, it would mean that Spirituality did not exist, since Religion is the resulting byproduct of human spiritual belief. Religion exists only because Spirituality exists. It's like saying you don't have a problem with all the trains, you just wish train tracks didn't exist. Now, train the tracks don't have to exist just because trains exist, but without trains, there is no need for train tracks, and trains are the only reason train tracks exist. One is not the other.... trains aren't train tracks, and train tracks aren't trains. Train tracks don't have to be used by trains. Not all train tracks are "good" tracks. Some trains could probably operate without a track. But the train track is only there because of trains, if trains didn't exist, there would be no train tracks.
 
Jarod said:
There could be spirituality without Religion, there could not be Religion without Spirituality. You are not understanding that a converse is not always true.

You are not understand basic reasoning...
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I have said about FIVE fucking times in this thread alone, exactly what you just said in bold above. So, tell ya what you fucked-in-the-brain moron.... why don't you just copy the quote you just made, and every time you see me post, paste that quote in place of what you are reading from me, because you obviously don't comprehend what I am saying, and you think you are saying something different when you're not. That's about all the help I can suggest for you here. I am deeply sorry, but I refuse to let you just twist and distort what I've said, and make it into the opposite... just ain't happening, dude.
 
Dixie look above.... You are the one who said it. You are spinning so fast you dont even know what you said.
 
Dixie said:
This is a political forum. People debate issues and opinions here. I stated my issue and opinion, and you merely stated I was "talking crap." It is your responsibility as the other party in the debate, to show WHY you think I am "talking crap" but you failed to do that. So your "job" as far as this political forum goes, is not complete, you have failed at it. Being that you have failed, and I haven't, it means I have won and you have lost. But it's okay, you are accustomed to being a loser anyway, so it's all good. :D
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But you do not want a debate, Dixie. You want a fight and I am not going to give you one. There can be no debate about religion because there is no opinion involved. You are a believer in the supernatural, it is for you to prove and there is no proof. There cannot be. Ever. End of story. Enjoy the ignorance of eons.
 
You are a believer in the supernatural, it is for you to prove and there is no proof. There cannot be. Ever. End of story. Enjoy the ignorance of eons.
Love it, full blast redneck burn.
 
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Topspin said:
You are a believer in the supernatural, it is for you to prove and there is no proof. There cannot be. Ever. End of story. Enjoy the ignorance of eons.
Love it, full blast redneck burn.
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you've always been a bit dimwitted when debates like this occur, TS.....you can't dodge a debate ABOUT religion by simply stating someone needs to prove a god exists.....that can be a valid response to the question "can I talk you into believing about God", but it is totally irrelevant to any debate we've ever had on this board......the fact you keep bringing it up shows immaturity and ignorance.....since you know nothing about the topic at hand, it would probably be better if you simply shut the fuck up......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you've always been a bit dimwitted when debates like this occur, TS.....you can't dodge a debate ABOUT religion by simply stating someone needs to prove a god exists.....that can be a valid response to the question "can I talk you into believing about God", but it is totally irrelevant to any debate we've ever had on this board......the fact you keep bringing it up shows immaturity and ignorance.....since you know nothing about the topic at hand, it would probably be better if you simply shut the fuck up......
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LOFL, Mr Pagan Prophet I deal in the real
reliegion is for weaklings who miss their mommy, I'm glad you get your fear relieved by it.
My joy is in mocking adults who believe in comic books.
 
Dixie said:
What kind of idiotic question is that? Have you not thought about it? I can think of numerous things right off the top of my head, where humans make great sacrifice for morality and the common good. This is such a nonsensical question, I am going to let you think about it a while, and not give you any examples. Let's see if you can maybe think of a few?
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I want you to think of a few that would not qualify as self preservation, survival of the species, or protection of territory.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you've always been a bit dimwitted when debates like this occur, TS.....you can't dodge a debate ABOUT religion by simply stating someone needs to prove a god exists.....that can be a valid response to the question "can I talk you into believing about God", but it is totally irrelevant to any debate we've ever had on this board......the fact you keep bringing it up shows immaturity and ignorance.....since you know nothing about the topic at hand, it would probably be better if you simply shut the fuck up......
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No need to 'dodge' debate about religion, but certainly there is a need to avoid it. For over one thousand years Christianity (to take it as one example) has been questioned and the people who rely on it for their livelihood have invented spun response upon spun response to defend their power base. So any such debate is simply an exercise in wading through the same old claptrap.
We know how the world was created, we know how the universe came into being and we know the story of evolution that populated this earth with such variety. So where is the debate?
The earth is 4400 years old because that is what the bible says? No debate. The men who wrote and conjured together the millions of words that make the book, could have written anything and probably did, in order that their power was not seriously challenged.
Adam and Eve? No. We know, by the good offices of Hubble and Herschel from whence came the chemicals that eventually created man's fleeting existence.
God said ....(whatever). A character invented by the ignorant to answer questions made in ignorance did not say anything. How could it? It was invented by man!
So debate about religion? No. Certainly not. Those days are over and with each educated human being they fade further and further into the dim and distant past.

Now. If Dixie, Trixie, Mixie or Moxie need to believe in this stuff and it genuinely helps them cope with life's pressures and challenges then good for them. I would be the last to deny their right to believe in whatever they like. But they should not assume the right to chastise me for my knowledge. Instead join me with your eyes open.
 
Dixie said:
There would be no morality because if religion didn't exist, spirituality wouldn't exist. It's like saying people would be more intelligent if there were no art. If there were no art, it would mean that man had no imagination, and without imagination, would have no intelligence. Now Jarhead, you can "HATE" religion as much as you want, I can't defend all religious beliefs, some of them are pretty bad, but when you step over the line and make an ignorant statement like this, someone needs to pull you back and make you think about what you're saying.
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See above for the statement you have repietededly denied, the bolded portion!

:o
 
Jarod said:
See above for the statement you have repietededly denied, the bolded portion!

:o
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What I said was different than what you claimed I said. Pay attention... Religion is the result of Spirituality.

Spirituality would not exist without Religen? ~Jarhead

if religion didn't exist, spirituality wouldn't exist. ~Dixie

Two completely different statements, Jarhead. You contorted and twisted my words around to make them appear the opposite of what was said. I don't think you are smart enough to do this intentionally, I think it is some kind of funky brain abnormality like Autism, which makes you construe things opposite of how they are presented.

My statement is what is commonly known as an "If/Then" statement. IF (condition is true) THEN (is result). The only way Religion could not exist, is if Spirituality also didn't exist. Religion does not enable Spirituality to exist, which is what you attempted to claim I said. It's the actual opposite of what I said, if you read it in context. The problem is, you don't know how to read things in context, all you know, is how to twist things out of context and pretend you've done something wonderful... (but this isn't finger painting with your feces at the care center.)
 
Dixie said:
Suicide bombers. Tibetan Monks. Firefighters. Rescue workers. Martin Luther King Jr. Gandhi. Mother Teresa. Okay, there is more than a few.
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And there are animals that sacrifice themselves to save members of their species and their own young.

Suicide bombers, firefighters, rescue workers, MLK, and Gandi all worked for survival of their species. Mother Teresa could be put into that category too, or she could be put into the Self-Preservation category if you consider the threat of hell or the promise of heaven could have been her motivation.
 
WinterBorn said:
And there are animals that sacrifice themselves to save members of their species and their own young.

Suicide bombers, firefighters, rescue workers, MLK, and Gandi all worked for survival of their species. Mother Teresa could be put into that category too, or she could be put into the Self-Preservation category if you consider the threat of hell or the promise of heaven could have been her motivation.
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Let's stop being childish and silly. None of the examples I gave fit your criteria, unless you stretch and contort them. Seriously? You are going to argue that Mother Teresa made great sacrifices for her own self-preservation? Were MLK and Gandhi a different species from you and I? What species were threatening their species survival? And the next time I see a cat wearing a fire fighter's outfit, I'll throw him some sardines, but I don't expect to see that anytime soon. Animals operate on primal instinct, which includes the three aforementioned priorities, and humans have human morality, born from spiritual belief and enlightenment. This is why we aren't still swinging in the trees gathering bananas.
 
And there are animals that sacrifice themselves to save members of their species and their own young.
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I have to kind of take exception with this. Animals do not make a conscious decision to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the others. They instinctively react based on their primal instinct to protect the species, protect their own, protect their territory. They do not reason they might die doing this, they do not weigh the consequences of their actions, they do not "make the decision" to react. It is instinctive reaction, not a conscious moral stand.
 
Dixie said:
I have to kind of take exception with this. Animals do not make a conscious decision to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the others. They instinctively react based on their primal instinct to protect the species, protect their own, protect their territory. They do not reason they might die doing this, they do not weigh the consequences of their actions, they do not "make the decision" to react. It is instinctive reaction, not a conscious moral stand.
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First of all, on what information do you base this claim?

And there are higher animals (dolphins, great apes ect) that have been seen facing a major predator in defense of their young. The instinct would be to flee, as they do every time other than when their young is in danger.
 
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