Lying Neocons revising history

Superfreak said:
Poor little retard.... it probably gets tiring having people point out your ignorance day after day after day after day.... doesn't it?
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you are single for a reason asshole, go waterboard yourself

I didn't have to rob old ladies to make my money
 
Topspin said:
you are single for a reason asshole, go waterboard yourself

I didn't have to rob old ladies to make my money
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lmao.... says the guy who works for an oil company...

Poor toppy, too stupid to actually read what people's positions are, so he just makes them up. Then when he is shown yet again how moronic he is, poor lil' guy just tosses such a fit.
 
Superfreak said:
Which brings up the argument being tossed around right now. The 'harsh' techniques are not designed to get the actual information, but rather are designed to break down the individual to the point where they are willing to cooperate under normal interrogation methods. To be clear, I do not know enough about the effectiveness etc... to have a defined position on this. Just relaying what the argument is that I have heard.
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Lets try OUR common sense....you know why liars get caught don't you....its because they can't keep the lies straight.....truth is always the same, lies tend to change day to day, week to week, month to month....
the interrogators aren't stupid, like topspin...they listen for lies, for how consistent your answers are over time...and the "harsh treatment" is adjusted accordingly...do I need to spell it out in clearer terms....
EVERYONE breaks...EVERYONE....no one is immune to torture....given enough time, torture works...every time, sooner or later....the questions become more important than the answers to gathering the right intell....
 
Will Totally Corrupt Liverlips come back for round two of the Rumsfeld/King issue ?.....or crawl under a rock....
 
bravo said:
Lets try OUR common sense....you know why liars get caught don't you....its because they can't keep the lies straight.....truth is always the same, lies tend to change day to day, week to week, month to month....
the interrogators aren't stupid, like topspin...they listen for lies, for how consistent your answers are over time...and the "harsh treatment" is adjusted accordingly...do I need to spell it out in clearer terms....
EVERYONE breaks...EVERYONE....no one is immune to torture....given enough time, torture works...every time, sooner or later....the questions become more important than the answers to gathering the right intell....
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Being that the information the Shiek gave was in 2006 and he was tortured in 2003, like Rummy said, there was no connection. The information they did garner was from the technique known as favored by professional interrogators, there was no waterboarding of the courier source.

and again, Waterboarding advocates claim that coercion is necessary because only extraordinary techniques can produce extraordinary information. The timeline leading to Bin Laden's death tells the opposite story. While all interrogation methods can potentially to produce some information, coercive methods are most effective at producing confessions. Persuasion is most effective at producing information. http://waterboarding.org/
 
Yurt said:
what is wrong with you? are you saying it is not true that the intelligence started during bush years? obama played a huge role in this, i don't think anyone disputes that, at least i have not seen it. the point is merely that bush gets some credit....obama gets more of the credit though as it was his decision and his decisions over the past year dealing with more specific intel.

why must you constantly whine about imaginary slights?
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Bush flew Bin Laden's family home the day after 9/11.
 
Yurt said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Why don't you actually READ what is offered in the link before going on a tear? Bottom line: the right wing/neocon punditry is pushing the mantra that Obama merely followed guidelines set up by the Shrub. THAT IS A LIE. The Shrub DISMANTLED the team that was specifically set up to find Bin Laden in the 2005-2006 year. And Rumsfeld has stated that the water boarding stuff WAS NOT instrumental in gathering information that gave us leads to Bin Ladin.

The Shrub FAILED to get Bin Laden, the water boarding DID NOT result in actionable intelligence to get Bin Laden. Obama got in charge, put the house in order, and things got done. Deal with it.

READ, Yurtle, READ!
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i did dumbass....you said:


Well, he did it. And now the neocons/teabaggers/oathers/birthers are just losing their fucking minds in an effort to tell the American people (and the world) that Obama was merely filling in the blanks that the Shrub put in motion during his 8 year term.
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that was not said or implied. you're just a dishonest far left wing wacko that sees boogey men under his bed
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Did you read what Peter King said, Yurtle? Do you know who Peter King is? Have you read/listened to the right wing punditry? Well Yurtle, rather than give you a chance to stretch you willfully ignorant stupidity for several posts, let me enlighten you:

Neocon War Hawks Whining That Bush Not Given Enough Iraq Credit By Obama

http://www.alan.com/2010/09/01/neoc...t-bush-not-given-enough-iraq-credit-by-obama/

Sarah Palin credits Bush for Osama bin Laden's death, omits Obama's name


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-palin-bin-laden-remarks-20110503,0,4220829.story

Tim Pawlenty and Michele Bachmann react to Osama bin Laden's death

http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=51058.0;wap2

Your problem Yurtle old thing, is that you just deny ANYTHING that makes your political ideology look bad...or that gives positive credit to Obama. So play your little games, Yurtle....reality will always make you a Yurt-ified fool!
 
i love how everyone that has an opinion that doesn't coincide with taichi are willfully ignorant, neocons, birthers, teabaggers, truthers, threepers, oathkeepers, militia rightwingers, (did i leave anything out).

you're such a stooge, tai chi. it's funny watching you get your ass handed to you day in and day out and all you can do is be the one truly willfully ignorant of it all.
 
bravo said:
You're not even a challenge ..... you make an ass of yourself before I can do it for you.....Yurt could kick you ass this time..

Well damn...lets see what THE FACTS are....I'll RED BOLD the pertinent FACTS.....

Well I don’t know if everyone knows this or not, but you mentioned the fact that we obtained information several years ago, vital information about the courier for Obama [sic]. We obtained that information through waterboarding. So for those who say that waterboarding doesn’t work, who say it should be stopped and never used again, we got vital information which directly led us to bin Laden.

O’REILLY: Wow! Let me stop you there. I did not know that and I’m sure most of my audience didn’t know that. Explain how that went down. How did we get that information, where did it come from, was it from Guantanamo Bay?

KING: It came from an overseas prison where Khaled Sheik Mohammed was being interrogated. Waterboarding was used, and it was during the interrogation of Khaled Sheik Mohammed, through waterboarding, that this information was learned.
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RUMSFELD REMARK:::


"The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.

Do we need to recap for TC pinhead?

US DOD..did not waterboard at Gitmo...................(nothing about overseas interrogation)
Normal interrogation did yield helpful intell....from Gitmo

.King said waterboarding was done overseas.... got vital information which directly led us to bin Laden. (nothing about Gitmo interrogation)

Will the pinhead understand ? Only time will tell....chances are these facts will not be mentioned and other bullshit will be used to confuse the readers at usual.....
most probably with some links to Huffington or KOS or some other far left cite as "proof" of some unrelated issue that he'll claim is pertinent....
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Bravo, you are one stupid man! King alludes to KSM giving up the people that lead to Bin Laden under waterboarding....but King DOES NOT state in no uncertain terms when and where this information was obtained, or the time line. Rumsfeld states WHERE the waterboarding occured, AND THEN STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THE VITAL INFORMATION WAS NOT OBTAINED BY WATERBOARDING.

Here's the breakdown that I'm sure you'll ignore once you realize that the neocon mantra does NOT stand up to scrutiny, and YOU can't take out of context:

The Interrogations Of Zubaydah And KSM: Enhanced Techniques Produced No Actionable Intelligence
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/
 
Ice Dancer said:
And just wtf were "standard interrogation techniques" in Poland while KSM was there? This unnamed officials so called statement is a big fat nothing. The fact of the matter is we can assume that if not while being water-boarded it was after the fact...which with threat of more to come is a HUGE fucking incentive...but, even still, what the fuck were "standard interrogation techniques" in Poland?
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You can assume and BS all you want...but the reallity is that Peter King doesn't know WTF he's talking about.....and like him, you are pushing supposition and conjecture over fact. Here, before you slip and splat on the ice again:

The Interrogations Of Zubaydah And KSM: Enhanced Techniques Produced No Actionable Intelligence
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/#Ib
 
Superfreak said:
Which brings up the argument being tossed around right now. The 'harsh' techniques are not designed to get the actual information, but rather are designed to break down the individual to the point where they are willing to cooperate under normal interrogation methods. To be clear, I do not know enough about the effectiveness etc... to have a defined position on this. Just relaying what the argument is that I have heard.
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To be clear, you don't know what you're talking about:

The Interrogations Of Zubaydah And KSM: Enhanced Techniques Produced No Actionable Intelligence

http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/#Ib

The Big Lie: Torture Got Bin Laden

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/05/the-republican-spin.html
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i love how everyone that has an opinion that doesn't coincide with taichi are willfully ignorant, neocons, birthers, teabaggers, truthers, threepers, oathkeepers, militia rightwingers, (did i leave anything out).

you're such a stooge, tai chi. it's funny watching you get your ass handed to you day in and day out and all you can do is be the one truly willfully ignorant of it all.
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STY in one intellectually dishonest threeper/oather/birther/neocon/Libertarian fool, ladies and gents. Notice STY doesn't dare have an honest discussion here, because like the intellectual coward that he is, he doesn't debate what he perceives he can't win.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i love how everyone that has an opinion that doesn't coincide with taichi are willfully ignorant, neocons, birthers, teabaggers, truthers, threepers, oathkeepers, militia rightwingers, (did i leave anything out).

you're such a stooge, tai chi. it's funny watching you get your ass handed to you day in and day out and all you can do is be the one truly willfully ignorant of it all.
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what a beautiful post
 
Taichiliberal said:
Bravo, you are one stupid man! King alludes to KSM giving up the people that lead to Bin Laden under waterboarding....but King DOES NOT state in no uncertain terms when and where this information was obtained, or the time line. Rumsfeld states WHERE the waterboarding occured, AND THEN STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THE VITAL INFORMATION WAS NOT OBTAINED BY WATERBOARDING.

Here's the breakdown that I'm sure you'll ignore once you realize that the neocon mantra does NOT stand up to scrutiny, and YOU can't take out of context:

The Interrogations Of Zubaydah And KSM: Enhanced Techniques Produced No Actionable Intelligence
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhanced-interrogation-failed/
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Sorry pinhead, you got it wrong again as usual....

King states the intell was obtained with the use of waterboarding OVERSEAS...When and where are irrelevant to the issue and the accuracy of his contention is irrelevant...

Rummy states that NO WATERBOARDING took place at Gitmo by the DOD....and that intell acquired there was acquired by normal interrogation....

The bottom line is .....the statements DO NO CONTRADICT EACH OTHER IN EVEN A REMOTE WAY as you insisted....therefore ....YOU"RE A FUCKIN' PINHEAD.....and ANY other bullshit you post is irrelevant to the disputed issue of King/Rummy contradicting each other....and that is the only issue ...the ONLY issue...

And really asshole...stop with the links to far left propaganda sites as if they were reliable sources of anything resembling truth...thats about as pinheaded as you can get
ThingProgress, MoveOn, HuffingtonPost, Daily KOS....etc.....only pinheads even look at their shit.
 
bravo said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Bravo, you are one stupid man! King alludes to KSM giving up the people that lead to Bin Laden under waterboarding....but King DOES NOT state in no uncertain terms when and where this information was obtained, or the time line. Rumsfeld states WHERE the waterboarding occured, AND THEN STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THE VITAL INFORMATION WAS NOT OBTAINED BY WATERBOARDING.

Here's the breakdown that I'm sure you'll ignore once you realize that the neocon mantra does NOT stand up to scrutiny, and YOU can't take out of context:

The Interrogations Of Zubaydah And KSM: Enhanced Techniques Produced No Actionable Intelligence
http://thinkprogress.org/why-enhance...gation-failed/
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Sorry pinhead, you got it wrong again as usual....

King states the intell was obtained with the use of waterboarding OVERSEAS...When and where are irrelevant to the issue and the accuracy of his contention is irrelevant...

Rummy states that NO WATERBOARDING took place at Gitmo by the DOD....and that intell acquired there was acquired by normal interrogation....

The bottom line is .....the statements DO NO CONTRADICT EACH OTHER IN EVEN A REMOTE WAY as you insisted....therefore ....YOU"RE A FUCKIN' PINHEAD.....and ANY other bullshit you post is irrelevant to the disputed issue of King/Rummy contradicting each other....and that is the only issue ...the ONLY issue...
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Notice folk, that when faced with the FACTS that prove him wrong, our intellectually impotent Bravo shoots blanks furiously...the SAME blanks.

Bravo feverishly avoids the FACT that the contradiction is that King is asserting that waterboarding works because it gave us the intel to get Bin Laden. Rumsfeld, the man in the know at the time, says NO, that did not happen.

Then I gave links to quotes from other folks in the know, on the ground at the time who back up Rumsfeld's statement and basically make Bravo look the fool. But Bravo, like the good little neocon parrot that he is, just squawks what he believes ad nauseum, wearing neocon blinders to everything else. Like King, Bravo just refuses to give Obama ANY credit, or that he succeeded where Bush failed. Appropo to this:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-Neocons-revising-history&p=809876#post809876

As I said, Bravo is one stupid man.
 
bravo said:
Lets try OUR common sense....you know why liars get caught don't you....its because they can't keep the lies straight.....truth is always the same, lies tend to change day to day, week to week, month to month....
the interrogators aren't stupid, like topspin...they listen for lies, for how consistent your answers are over time...and the "harsh treatment" is adjusted accordingly...do I need to spell it out in clearer terms....
EVERYONE breaks...EVERYONE....no one is immune to torture....given enough time, torture works...every time, sooner or later....the questions become more important than the answers to gathering the right intell....
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And here we have it. Inside the mind of a torture apologist. :mad:

Screw the fact that our country is supposed to be better than this.
 
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