CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid

Damocles said:
Which is also true. I am far more concerned with TSA than I am with what is now a former technique we used to question a minimal amount of people.
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The whole TSA nonsense is nothing but show.... and a poor show at that. The idiocy at the airports today does little to stop a terrorist from destroying a plane in midair or on the ground or in the terminal. Bottom line, a takeover of the cockpit in the future is minimal at best. No group of passengers is going to sit by while it happens anymore. The shoe bomber and underwear bomber are prime examples. The days of 'sit back, wait until we land and let the professionals negotiate our release' are over. The terrorists have got to be sitting and laughing at the absurdity of our airport security.
 
Damocles said:
Which is also true. I am far more concerned with TSA than I am with what is now a former technique we used to question a minimal amount of people.
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Translation: I am ashamed to support waterboarding publicly, so let's change the subject.
 
If TSA were interrogating people or physically harming them, Id agree with you.
 
DAMO, I dont belive you have offered an opinion...

Do you belive that the USA should be waterboarding detainees?
 
Jarod said:
DAMO, I dont belive you have offered an opinion...

Do you belive that the USA should be waterboarding detainees?
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I offered opinions long ago on that. I think that is a step down from the moral high ground we've always maintained over my lifetime. It takes a bit of a shine off of what is an exceptional nation.
 
Damocles said:
I offered opinions long ago on that. I think that is a step down from the moral high ground we've always maintained over my lifetime. It takes a bit of a shine off of what is an exceptional nation.
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CIA Black Ops missions have always consisted of the dark side Damo... It has only really been this last 2 decades that the mask has slipped and us common folks have glimpsed inside.
 
Damocles said:
I offered opinions long ago on that. I think that is a step down from the moral high ground we've always maintained over my lifetime. It takes a bit of a shine off of what is an exceptional nation.
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Therein lies the rub. We want to be in the right and be an example. I have a hard time accepting that torture is the only way we can get vital info. I look at waterboarding like I look at the people celebrating in the streets about bin Laden being killed. I understand, but think we should be above that. Maybe my expectations are too high.
 
The funny thing is that the people who claim waterboarding is not torture have not been waterboarded.

Those who have been typically swear it is torture.

Jesse Ventura doesn't hesitate to call it torture. He was waterboarded. I'll take his word over someone trying to cover their own ass.
 
Damn Yankee said:
I understand that Democratards will never except that waterboarding is not torture but what happened to all the supposed libertarians that went on and on claiming that it was torture? Where are they now? :)
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Did you mean "accept", Dumb Yankee?

Would you allow yourself to be waterboarded to settle the issue?

This man did:


BTW, Rumsfeld says...

 
Ice Dancer said:
CIA Black Ops missions have always consisted of the dark side Damo... It has only really been this last 2 decades that the mask has slipped and us common folks have glimpsed inside.
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Not really. Maybe before the Church Commission that was the case, but not since then. Until Bush. And with respect to the "enhanced interrogation methods," including waterboarding, they were adopted after 9/11 and essentially reverse-engineered from SERE training for Navy Seals. We didn't use the methods previously. Additionally, only in the post-9/11 environment were legal opinions created which purported to make the enhanced interrogation techniques legal. CIA operative may be shady individuals about which we know nothing, but they aren't idiots and they operate within a legal framework that is sharply defined. Absent those legal opinions adopted in early 2002, I doubt very seriously that CIA interrogators would perform many of the techniques, particularly waterboarding, that they adopted in light of the legalization thereof.
 
Cute response, Troll. I'd like to see you venture out of your mother's basement long enough to try, Dumbass.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Again, what's written in the plain-language dictionary is fact. Everything else is mere opinion.
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And does a plain language dictionary say that waterboarding isn't torture?

What a fool. They don't use Webster's when assessing an issue as complex as torture, anyway. What a waste of time.
 
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