Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
And repeating this ad nauseum changes what? Bottom line, The Moonie's rag hasn't told us anything knew.....so let's see if Grassley and company can circumnavigate the "on-going" investigation reef.
the ATF has some 'splaining' to do
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And repeating this ad nauseum changes what? Bottom line, The Moonie's rag hasn't told us anything knew.....so let's see if Grassley and company can circumnavigate the "on-going" investigation reef.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
See above response. Live above the influence.
Cancel 2018. 3
<-- sched 2, MJ sched 1
chronology of posts....you all lose and taichi wins!!!!!
SmarterthanYou
rebel
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059453-10391695.html?tag=stack
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059640-10391695.html
Well, Either Breuer is about to be thrown under the bus, or holder is extremely incompetent and should immediately resign.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059640-10391695.html
Well, Either Breuer is about to be thrown under the bus, or holder is extremely incompetent and should immediately resign.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
Also interesting example of either incompetence on part of the ATF, or outright criminality:
As part of a current BATF investigation being run out of the Charlotte office, the investigating ATF agent instructed other employees to pick up Form 4473s linked to Booth to be picked up from numerous gun stores in North Carolina.
One of the more crucial sets of documentation comes from Ed's Guns in Vass, North Carolina.
Records show that Booth has run literally hundreds of weapons through this particular store, including hundreds of Detonics pistols and an alleged "straw sale" of a .50 BMG sniper rifle from Booth's personal collection. According to sources, Booth is also alleged to have purchased gun parts from other stores, and is alleged to have been a frequent Saturday visitor to Caliber's Indoor Gun Range in Greensboro. All of these allegations are potential felonies, and most are easily proven by simply obtaining records from the locations in question.
But the agent in charge of the investigation has run into a stonewalling effort being orchestrated by local agents and auditors that failed to act upon numerous felony violations in the past due to their own incompetence and breaking of procedure. Sources indicate that BATF employees in Fayetteville that obtained the 4473s from Ed's Guns in Vass are refusing to provide those documents to the Charlotte-based agent in hopes of protecting the BATF agents and auditors in Greensboro.
As part of a current BATF investigation being run out of the Charlotte office, the investigating ATF agent instructed other employees to pick up Form 4473s linked to Booth to be picked up from numerous gun stores in North Carolina.
One of the more crucial sets of documentation comes from Ed's Guns in Vass, North Carolina.
Records show that Booth has run literally hundreds of weapons through this particular store, including hundreds of Detonics pistols and an alleged "straw sale" of a .50 BMG sniper rifle from Booth's personal collection. According to sources, Booth is also alleged to have purchased gun parts from other stores, and is alleged to have been a frequent Saturday visitor to Caliber's Indoor Gun Range in Greensboro. All of these allegations are potential felonies, and most are easily proven by simply obtaining records from the locations in question.
But the agent in charge of the investigation has run into a stonewalling effort being orchestrated by local agents and auditors that failed to act upon numerous felony violations in the past due to their own incompetence and breaking of procedure. Sources indicate that BATF employees in Fayetteville that obtained the 4473s from Ed's Guns in Vass are refusing to provide those documents to the Charlotte-based agent in hopes of protecting the BATF agents and auditors in Greensboro.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
One can only hope.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20063716-10391695.html
CBS News has learned that virtually all the top ATF managers in Phoenix involved in the controversial "Fast and Furious" operation have been reassigned and replaced. The shake-up comes in the wake of the gunwalking scandal in which ATF allegedly allowed more than 2500 weapons to hit the streets or "walk."
Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bill Newell has been replaced by the former Detroit SAC Tom Brandon. Newell was reassigned to ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. shortly after CBS News interviewed an ATF agent-turned-whistleblower about the alleged gunwalking.
Two new Assistant Special Agents in Charge (ASACs) have also moved into the ATF Phoenix office: Joe Anarumo of Miami and Tom Atteberry of Kansas City. Sources say they replace the ASACs who oversaw Fast and Furious in Phoenix: George Gillett, who's being reassigned to Washington D.C. headquarters; and Jim Needles, who's been tasked to the Phoenix U.S. Attorney's office.
"This is unprecedented and welcome," says one insider, who describes the new Phoenix management as "the A-Team" and "respected."
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20063716-10391695.html#ixzz1MhmG2CHJ
CBS News has learned that virtually all the top ATF managers in Phoenix involved in the controversial "Fast and Furious" operation have been reassigned and replaced. The shake-up comes in the wake of the gunwalking scandal in which ATF allegedly allowed more than 2500 weapons to hit the streets or "walk."
Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bill Newell has been replaced by the former Detroit SAC Tom Brandon. Newell was reassigned to ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. shortly after CBS News interviewed an ATF agent-turned-whistleblower about the alleged gunwalking.
Two new Assistant Special Agents in Charge (ASACs) have also moved into the ATF Phoenix office: Joe Anarumo of Miami and Tom Atteberry of Kansas City. Sources say they replace the ASACs who oversaw Fast and Furious in Phoenix: George Gillett, who's being reassigned to Washington D.C. headquarters; and Jim Needles, who's been tasked to the Phoenix U.S. Attorney's office.
"This is unprecedented and welcome," says one insider, who describes the new Phoenix management as "the A-Team" and "respected."
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20063716-10391695.html#ixzz1MhmG2CHJ
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Wouldn't it be cooler to simply fire them, rather than go through the effort of finding reassignments and relocations which are unlikely to result in more catostrophic fuck-ups?
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
It'd be even cooler if we put them in prison for committing the crimes they committed.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
that wouldn't do well for them keeping the secret of what they did. If they fire them, whats to keep them from talking to congress?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
SmarterthanYou
rebel
congress set for first 'gunwalker' hearing
The first in a series of Congressional hearings into the so-called "gunwalker" scandal is set for Monday, June 13th. The title:"Obstruction of Justice: Does the Justice Department Have to Respond to a Lawfully Issued and Valid Congressional Subpoena?"
As CBS News reported on April 1, the House Oversight Committeesubpoenaed documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). House investigators say that instead of complying with the subpoena, the Justice Department (which oversees ATF) showed them a "handful of highly redacted documents" and provided additional documents already in the public record.
"They didn't comply with terms of the subpoena," says a House oversight staffer
The first in a series of Congressional hearings into the so-called "gunwalker" scandal is set for Monday, June 13th. The title:"Obstruction of Justice: Does the Justice Department Have to Respond to a Lawfully Issued and Valid Congressional Subpoena?"
As CBS News reported on April 1, the House Oversight Committeesubpoenaed documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). House investigators say that instead of complying with the subpoena, the Justice Department (which oversees ATF) showed them a "handful of highly redacted documents" and provided additional documents already in the public record.
"They didn't comply with terms of the subpoena," says a House oversight staffer
SmarterthanYou
rebel
DOJ in panic mode as hearings near
The operation was supposed to stem the flow of weapons from the U.S. to Mexico by allowing so-called straw buyers to purchase guns legally in the U.S. and later sell them in Mexico, usually to drug cartels.
Instead, ATF documents show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms knowingly and deliberately flooded Mexico with assault rifles. Their intent was to expose the entire smuggling organization, from top to bottom, but the operation spun out of control and supervisors refused pleas from field agents to stop it.
Only after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died did ATF Agent John Dodson blow the whistle and expose the scandal.
But now the casualties are coming in.
Mexican officials estimate 150 of their people have been shot by Fast and Furious guns. Police have recovered roughly 700 guns at crime scenes, 250 in the U.S. and the rest in Mexico, including five AK-47s found at a cartel warehouse in Juarez last month.
A high-powered sniper rifle was used to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter. Two other Romanian-made AK-47s were found in a shoot-out that left 11 dead in the state of Jalisco three weeks ago.
The guns were traced to the Lone Wolf Gun Store in Glendale, Ariz., and were sold only after the store employees were told to do so by the ATF.
It is illegal to buy a gun for anyone but yourself. However, ATF's own documents show it allowed just 15 men to buy 1,725 guns, and 1,318 of those were after the purchasers officially became targets of investigation.
Arizona gun store owners say they were explicitly told by the ATF to sell the guns, sometimes 20, 30, even up to 40 in a single day to single person.
And those orders, from at least one ATF case agent, are on audio recording.
The operation was supposed to stem the flow of weapons from the U.S. to Mexico by allowing so-called straw buyers to purchase guns legally in the U.S. and later sell them in Mexico, usually to drug cartels.
Instead, ATF documents show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms knowingly and deliberately flooded Mexico with assault rifles. Their intent was to expose the entire smuggling organization, from top to bottom, but the operation spun out of control and supervisors refused pleas from field agents to stop it.
Only after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died did ATF Agent John Dodson blow the whistle and expose the scandal.
But now the casualties are coming in.
Mexican officials estimate 150 of their people have been shot by Fast and Furious guns. Police have recovered roughly 700 guns at crime scenes, 250 in the U.S. and the rest in Mexico, including five AK-47s found at a cartel warehouse in Juarez last month.
A high-powered sniper rifle was used to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter. Two other Romanian-made AK-47s were found in a shoot-out that left 11 dead in the state of Jalisco three weeks ago.
The guns were traced to the Lone Wolf Gun Store in Glendale, Ariz., and were sold only after the store employees were told to do so by the ATF.
It is illegal to buy a gun for anyone but yourself. However, ATF's own documents show it allowed just 15 men to buy 1,725 guns, and 1,318 of those were after the purchasers officially became targets of investigation.
Arizona gun store owners say they were explicitly told by the ATF to sell the guns, sometimes 20, 30, even up to 40 in a single day to single person.
And those orders, from at least one ATF case agent, are on audio recording.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
rep. Darrel Issa is scheduling hearings. He's going after Eric Holder hard, by all accounts and rumors.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/...ecord_id=8a7bfcd5-5056-8059-76fa-8dece24f4615
Rabidly anti-gun U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), along with two of her senatorial forcible citizen disarmament cronies, Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), released a "report" today: "Halting U.S. Firearms Trafficking to Mexico" (pdf file). As should be surprising to no one, the senators blamed the commercial gun market in the U.S. for "arming" the Mexican drug syndicates, sidestepping the truth with the same old dance steps we've been seeing for years now in the "Mexico's 'gun violence' is our fault!" narrative:
Continue reading on Examiner.com ’Gunwalker’ hearings start; senators tout Project Gunrunner’s ’notable success’ - St. Louis gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...e-success-1?fb_comment=34325306#ixzz1PG6J0nGv
3 Dems still spewing the bullshit lies, totally avoiding the upcoming unraveling controversy of illegal ATF gunrunning
Rabidly anti-gun U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), along with two of her senatorial forcible citizen disarmament cronies, Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), released a "report" today: "Halting U.S. Firearms Trafficking to Mexico" (pdf file). As should be surprising to no one, the senators blamed the commercial gun market in the U.S. for "arming" the Mexican drug syndicates, sidestepping the truth with the same old dance steps we've been seeing for years now in the "Mexico's 'gun violence' is our fault!" narrative:
Continue reading on Examiner.com ’Gunwalker’ hearings start; senators tout Project Gunrunner’s ’notable success’ - St. Louis gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...e-success-1?fb_comment=34325306#ixzz1PG6J0nGv
3 Dems still spewing the bullshit lies, totally avoiding the upcoming unraveling controversy of illegal ATF gunrunning
SmarterthanYou
rebel
real simple solution to that stonewalling. zero funding.