I have settled on a GOP candidate to support.

Damn Yankee said:
I'm not talking about voting, but support for his policies. Where are these "moderates"?
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Maybe they're running from Ryan's brand of "fiscal conservatism" AKA political suicide as fast as they can, like many of his GOP compadres.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/05/cantor-ryan-medicare/


http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/05/voters-dislike-gop-plan-to-change-medicare.html


http://markets.financialcontent.com/mi.sacbee/news/read?GUID=18364729



 
I'm in the larger margin camp, unless something serious happens.
He's eliminated a lot of racist and faux no international experience whores.
 
Dixie said:
Don't take the bet Damo, he's a welcher! I still don't have my beer from 2004!
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LOL He's right Damo....I did welch on that bet......Dixie I can send you a local Columbus brew to try and make up for it....since I no longer live in NC I can't send you the Carolina Blondes I welched on!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
popular or electoral......there's no way in the world Obama could win some of the swing states he had in 2008 to win the election.....
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I wouldn't be to sure about that. Don't know about where you're getting your information from but Ohio is probably the single most important swing state and it this poll from January clearly shows he has a clear plurality in the State and that was well before Bin Ladin was killed.

The economy and gas prices are issues that will clearly hurt Obama if they don't improve but none of that means squat if Repelicans nominate some right winger on the fringe. About the only electable candidate the Repelicans have, at the moment, is Romney and that's a fight Democrats would love to have (though they had better be careful for what they wish for. Romney would be a very formidable candidate and is popular with independents and moderates.). Keep in mind Republicans have taken a huge hit in Ohio with SB#5 being sp unpopular in the State and with the death of Bin Ladin, Obama's popularity is improving not to mention that most of the Repelican candidates, particularly the southern ones, are very unpopular in Ohio.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...lurality-say-brown-obama-deserve-re-election/
 
Damocles said:
So you believe he'll get more than 52.9% of the vote with a margin larger than 7.2%?
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Uh...don't know where you're getting your numbers but Obama won the popular vote by 6% (52% to 46%) and yes. I think he'll beat that number given that the Repelicans have not yet put forward a viable opponent. I think Romney can beat that margin but I don't think Romney can get the nomination.
 
he'll beat the 6% in his sleep, these ass clowns spend the better part of three years with:
he's a muslim
no
well how bout he wasn't born in Hawaii
no
well how bout he wants your guns
no
well how bout Bush did the real work on Osama
no
well how bout we try and get a non fossill candidate
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm not talking about voting, but support for his policies. Where are these "moderates"?
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Ok.... well gee... then what the fuck were you talking about, because the rest of us were talking about VOTING. So what the fuck did you contradict me for if you weren't even talking about the same thing???? MORON
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Uh...don't know where you're getting your numbers but Obama won the popular vote by 6% (52% to 46%) and yes. I think he'll beat that number given that the Repelicans have not yet put forward a viable opponent. I think Romney can beat that margin but I don't think Romney can get the nomination.
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He is getting it by using the ACTUAL numbers and NOT rounding off.

I am in.... $100 says he will not win by a larger margin than he did in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2008

So in 2008, Obama won with 52.9% to McCains 45.7%.

The margin is thus 7.2%.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I wouldn't be to sure about that. Don't know about where you're getting your information from but Ohio is probably the single most important swing state and it this poll from January clearly shows he has a clear plurality in the State and that was well before Bin Ladin was killed.

The economy and gas prices are issues that will clearly hurt Obama if they don't improve but none of that means squat if Repelicans nominate some right winger on the fringe. About the only electable candidate the Repelicans have, at the moment, is Romney and that's a fight Democrats would love to have (though they had better be careful for what they wish for. Romney would be a very formidable candidate and is popular with independents and moderates.). Keep in mind Republicans have taken a huge hit in Ohio with SB#5 being sp unpopular in the State and with the death of Bin Ladin, Obama's popularity is improving not to mention that most of the Repelican candidates, particularly the southern ones, are very unpopular in Ohio.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...lurality-say-brown-obama-deserve-re-election/
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You are insane. In 2008...

1) Massive economic meltdown in place
2) People were pissed off at Bush and the Reps in general
3) Obama ran on Hope and Change
4) Large turnout (relatively speaking) from young voters, above average participation among minority voters, independents swung heavily towards Dems

In 2012
1) Massive unemployment still rampant
2) People pissed off in general at incumbents (as seen in 2010)
3) People have seen Obama's lack of leadership on the economic front
4) High turnout not nearly as likely with young and minority voters and far left voters given state of economy
 
As for Ohio Mott.... your poll from January even shows that his margin there has narrowed. He won Ohio by 4.6% and this poll you presented has him up 3.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Uh...don't know where you're getting your numbers but Obama won the popular vote by 6% (52% to 46%) and yes. I think he'll beat that number given that the Repelicans have not yet put forward a viable opponent. I think Romney can beat that margin but I don't think Romney can get the nomination.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

Recalculate:

Obama/Biden: 52.9%
McCain/Palin: 45.7%

That equals... Drum roll, please.... 7.2%...

Now you are saying that a President presiding over 10% (by 1979 reporting requirements) inflation, 20% (Missing 1/5th, check out the stories about it) of men capable of working do not go to work, houses falling like rocks, zero "shovel ready" jobs, added over 4 trillion to our debt in 2.5 years so we could sell 1,700 (yeah, it's right around there actually) Chevy Volts... is going to exceed 52.9% of the vote? Either that or you are wishing for a third party candidate that is conservative enough to take from the republican vote.

I'll take that bet. How much was it again?
 
Superfreak said:
Ok.... well gee... then what the fuck were you talking about, because the rest of us were talking about VOTING. So what the fuck did you contradict me for if you weren't even talking about the same thing???? MORON
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No reason to get all pissy. I'm just showing you that a politician who exposes fiscal conservatism only is not enamored by the so-called moderates, proving my point that fiscal conservatism is nothing without social conservatism. :)
 
Dixie said:
It's because you are a fucking idiot who doesn't understand the Fair Tax!

Do you mind TRYING to articulate why you think the Fair Tax is a bad idea? For ANYONE?
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it is a bad idea as it is highly regressive and wide open to every bit as much corruption as the current system.
 
Damn Yankee said:
No reason to get all pissy. I'm just showing you that a politician who exposes fiscal conservatism only is not enamored by the so-called moderates, proving my point that fiscal conservatism is nothing without social conservatism. :)
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The above makes absolutely NO sense. IF he were to run on a fiscally conservative platform vs. any schmuck who tried to focus on social issues, he would dominate. But again, AND DO TRY TO PAY ATTENTION..... Moderates/Independents are NOT going to flock to someone and vote for them IF THEY ARE NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
 
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