Ron Paul: I Would Not Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid

still talking about rep in multiple threads...weird

IOW...you lied before. thanks for admitting that.

Nah - I just got more info. You've never changed your thoughts on something after you got more info? That would actually explain a lot.

And rep was BIG for you, man. Like - BIG. I still remember how weird I thought that was when I realized how important it was to you...
 
Nah - I just got more info. You've never changed your thoughts on something after you got more info? That would actually explain a lot.

And rep was BIG for you, man. Like - BIG. I still remember how weird I thought that was when I realized how important it was to you...

still obsessively talking about rep...and this time...nothing but rep. ignore the discussion and laser in on rep....way to go onceler.
 
Thats quite funny......Obama does just what Conservatives would normally want a president to do, ACT and show leadership.....and now we have a Republican wanna be president, saying if he was in charge he would do
exactly what one would think the liberals would support, ask permission and follow........

The conclusion...??

Well the liberals are already supporting Obama's conservative actions.....so they are obviously hypocrite hacks...

and if the Cons actually show support for Paul and his liberal views, they too would be exposed as hypocrite hacks....

how entertaining....

Good first attempt at logic there Bravo.
 
Shit, I almost freaked out that the Joe Wilson troll has over 1300 posts. Then I realized it was Dune.

PMP should be taking notes here.
 
I'd honestly agree that getting OBL wasn't a big deal, from a practical perspective. I can't really see devoting so much energy to getting OBL as anything but trying to score political point.

No big deal? The guy killed thousands of americans directly in one day alone and was indirectly responsible for killing and maining untold hundreds of thousands more people. His work would have continued till the day he died. Obama stopped his carnage.

That says nothing of his being responsible for the institutionalizing of an authoritarian police state in the U.S. For that alone should have paid with his life.
 
so bin hiden should not have been killed? or are you just agreeing with one aspect of their point?
Firstly I'd much rather OBL been taken alive and given a trial. I'm against the death penalty (not to say the he didn't deserve to die though). I'm not gonna complain too much about it, but as a matter of principle pretty much everything about this whole deal goes against what I believe.
 
Firstly I'd much rather OBL been taken alive and given a trial. I'm against the death penalty (not to say the he didn't deserve to die though). I'm not gonna complain too much about it, but as a matter of principle pretty much everything about this whole deal goes against what I believe.

what do you believe then? you are a veteran are you not? do you really believe we should not have taken out osama?

osama and a trial is a nightmare....would be interesting, but highly impractical. osama would have just been a new inmate at gitmo. obama would never try him. and i don't believe obama ever had a kill or capture order....it was a kill order. good call obama..
 
what do you believe then? you are a veteran are you not? do you really believe we should not have taken out osama?

osama and a trial is a nightmare....would be interesting, but highly impractical. osama would have just been a new inmate at gitmo. obama would never try him. and i don't believe obama ever had a kill or capture order....it was a kill order. good call obama..
Yes I am a veteran. And one of the rights I fought to protect was due process of law. EVERYONES due process of law. Even someone like OBL.
 
Yes I am a veteran. And one of the rights I fought to protect was due process of law. EVERYONES due process of law. Even someone like OBL.

he received his due process. in a raid, where US navy seals, believed he made a threatening move, they took the appropriate action. he could have come to court in the US...he chose to hide and paid the consequences.
 
he received his due process. in a raid, where US navy seals, believed he made a threatening move, they took the appropriate action. he could have come to court in the US...he chose to hide and paid the consequences.
You just said that it was a kill order regardless of his actions. I'm not saying the SEALs should have compromised their safety during the raid, but if it was at all possible I wanted him taken alive and tried in a court of law. That's the difference between us and them Yurt. Or at least it should be. In America everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.
 
You just said that it was a kill order regardless of his actions. I'm not saying the SEALs should have compromised their safety during the raid, but if it was at all possible I wanted him taken alive and tried in a court of law. That's the difference between us and them Yurt. Or at least it should be. In America everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.

what is wrong with a kill order here?

there is a difference between us and them.
 
I'm not losing any sleep over OBLs death.

But I'm still with Paul.

I want to hear more in the future from Paul about his stance on this issue.
 
You just said that it was a kill order regardless of his actions. I'm not saying the SEALs should have compromised their safety during the raid, but if it was at all possible I wanted him taken alive and tried in a court of law. That's the difference between us and them Yurt. Or at least it should be. In America everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.

I have a couple of things here. First, I reject this idea that some people have, that our Constitution and Constitutional rights apply to people who are not US citizens and/or are not on US soil. I think even the simple-minded can understand, we can't enforce our Constitution abroad, we have no jurisdiction or authority to do so. If we could do that, there are a great number of people in the world we could drag into US court and try for civil and human rights abuses. There are a great many people who would make the argument that they deserve Constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of religion, and to not be discriminated against based on gender or race... Billions of people worldwide. We can't accommodate them all, so why would selected individuals qualify? Is there something in the Constitution which tells us that some people are more deserving of Constitutional rights than others? If so, please point it out to me, I haven't found it. Why should we afford Osama Bin Laden a Constitutional right, while denying the billions of people worldwide who would risk death to be protected by the Constitution?

And secondly... let's talk about your short-sighted idea of trying OBL in a US court. Have you really thought about this? The prosecution has to prove its case against OBL, and there are a number of technical and legal problems there. Because of the nature of this case, much of the evidence is classified, and can't be released on grounds of national security. Many of the witnesses and people who could provide testimony for the prosecution, are dead. Many of the rest, are not going to be compelled to testify honestly, because they are not US citizens, and we have no jurisdiction to compel them to testify. Given the nature of radical Islamofascists, using 5th century technologies of communication, there isn't a lot of 'paper' evidence. He made some speeches... but speech is not a crime. He did not pilot those planes on 9/11... can you directly connect that to him, with the evidence available? I think it might be more difficult than you want to believe, to try and convict him in a US courtroom. How would you feel if he were acquitted?

The Administration took several days to get their story straight about what happened, and I am still not completely clear on it. First he was armed, there was a gunfight... 40 minutes... then there wasn't a gunfight... no security at the compound.. and OBL wasn't armed. Here's what I think.... the order from Obama was, kill him, or don't come home! I don't think they ever intended on taking him alive, the last thing in the world Obama needed, was to bring Osama Bin Laden to the US for trial! Can you even imagine the ramifications of such a trial? Where ya gonna have it, NYC?
 
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