Tim Pawlently announces Presidential bid
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Rationalist
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Is it ever a shocker? I've been following politics for about eleven years (since I was 16); few serious contenders come out of nowhere with this sort of announcement. They form an exploratory committee first, or at least hint of their intention to run. That's been my observation, anyway.
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No wonder...
Tim Pawlenty wiped a serial child molester’s record clean in 2008
Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty formally announced his campaign seeking the GOP nomination for the presidency Monday morning, but by midday, his political past had already caught up to him. Reporting by Minneapolis City Pages' Nick Pinto brought to attention a pardon then-Gov. Pawlenty granted to a sex offender in October 2008, which is sure to haunt the candidate throughout his campaign: the man Pawlenty pardoned was later arrested again for molesting his daughter more than 250 times in an eight-year span, including six years prior to his pardon.
Jeremy Giefer served 45 days in prison in 1994 after being convicted of statutory rape. However, because he married the then-14-year-old girl and stuck around to father the child they conceived together, he begged the state for an extraordinary pardon, which would no longer require Giefer to report himself as a sex offender.
The board — which includes the Minnesota attorney general, the chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, and the governor (Pawlenty, at the time) — voted unanimously to pardon Giefer.
The damning details came in November 2010, when Giefer was again arrested on counts of sex with an underage girl — this time with the daughter he had conceived with Susan before his first rape charge. According to the complaint his daughter, identified in court documents as C.G., filed, Griefer would often make her have sex with him or perform oral sex on him as a favor before he would give her permission to do things, and that he put her on birth control when she was 15 years old so that she wouldn't get pregnant when he raped her without a condom. The abuse started when she was 9 years old.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/...-serial-child-molesters-record-clean-in-2008/
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He’s told Paw-lenty of lies already...
PAWLENTY: "The truth is, people getting paid by the taxpayers shouldn't get a better deal than the taxpayers themselves. That means freezing federal salaries, transitioning federal employee benefits, and downsizing the federal work force as it retires." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: A federal pay freeze is already in effect. Obama proposed and Congress approved a two-year freeze on the pay of federal employees, exempting the armed forces, Congress and federal courts.
PAWLENTY: "ObamaCare is unconstitutional." — USA Today column.
THE FACTS: Obama's health care overhaul might be unconstitutional in Pawlenty's opinion, but it is not in fact unless the Supreme Court says so. Lower court rulings have been split.
PAWLENTY: "Barack Obama has consistently stood for higher taxes." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: Obama's record shows more tax cutting than tax raising. The stimulus plan early in his presidency cut taxes broadly for the middle class and business, and more recently he won a substantial cut in Social Security taxes for a year. He also campaigned in support of extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all except the wealthy, whose taxes he wanted to raise. In office, he accepted a deal from Republicans extending the tax cuts for all. As for tax increases, Obama won congressional approval to raise them on tobacco and tanning salons. The penalty for those who don't buy health insurance, once coverage is mandatory, is a form of taxation.
PAWLENTY: "For decades before I was elected, governors tried and failed to get Minnesota out of the top 10 highest-taxed states in the country. I actually did it." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: Minnesota remains among the 10 worst states in its overall tax climate, according to the Tax Foundation. In its 2011 State Business Tax Climate Index, the anti-tax organization ranks Minnesota 43rd, making it the eighth worst state. The ranking slipped from 41st two years earlier. The index considers corporate, individual, sales, unemployment insurance and property taxes.
PAWLENTY: "I stood up to the teachers unions and established one of the first statewide performance pay systems in the country." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: The system may be statewide, but it is voluntary and most school districts have not joined. Out of the 340 school districts and charter schools in the state, with 830,000 students, 104 districts and charter schools serving 254,592 students are currently enrolled in the performance-pay program.
PAWLENTY: "There's only four governors in the country that got an A grade from the tough-grading Cato Institute for fiscal management. I was one of them." — ABC's "Good Morning America."
THE FACTS: Cato may be a tough grader, but it is hardly objective. The institute holds staunch libertarian views, including a passion for smaller government, and graded governors in 2010 according to their success in cutting taxes and spending. Pawlenty tied for third with Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, behind South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, both Republicans.
PAWLENTY: "I could stand here and tell you that we can solve America's debt crisis and fix our economy without making any tough choices. But we've heard those kinds of empty promises before."
THE FACTS: Although politicians typically talk about the need for hard choices, Pawlenty actually does name several. He proposes to phase out ethanol and corporate subsidies, raise the Social Security retirement age for young workers and restrain cost of living increases for Social Security recipients who are wealthy.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/23/fact-check-truth-pawlenty-claims/#ixzz1NDRdQ6z0
PAWLENTY: "The truth is, people getting paid by the taxpayers shouldn't get a better deal than the taxpayers themselves. That means freezing federal salaries, transitioning federal employee benefits, and downsizing the federal work force as it retires." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: A federal pay freeze is already in effect. Obama proposed and Congress approved a two-year freeze on the pay of federal employees, exempting the armed forces, Congress and federal courts.
PAWLENTY: "ObamaCare is unconstitutional." — USA Today column.
THE FACTS: Obama's health care overhaul might be unconstitutional in Pawlenty's opinion, but it is not in fact unless the Supreme Court says so. Lower court rulings have been split.
PAWLENTY: "Barack Obama has consistently stood for higher taxes." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: Obama's record shows more tax cutting than tax raising. The stimulus plan early in his presidency cut taxes broadly for the middle class and business, and more recently he won a substantial cut in Social Security taxes for a year. He also campaigned in support of extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all except the wealthy, whose taxes he wanted to raise. In office, he accepted a deal from Republicans extending the tax cuts for all. As for tax increases, Obama won congressional approval to raise them on tobacco and tanning salons. The penalty for those who don't buy health insurance, once coverage is mandatory, is a form of taxation.
PAWLENTY: "For decades before I was elected, governors tried and failed to get Minnesota out of the top 10 highest-taxed states in the country. I actually did it." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: Minnesota remains among the 10 worst states in its overall tax climate, according to the Tax Foundation. In its 2011 State Business Tax Climate Index, the anti-tax organization ranks Minnesota 43rd, making it the eighth worst state. The ranking slipped from 41st two years earlier. The index considers corporate, individual, sales, unemployment insurance and property taxes.
PAWLENTY: "I stood up to the teachers unions and established one of the first statewide performance pay systems in the country." — Campaign announcement.
THE FACTS: The system may be statewide, but it is voluntary and most school districts have not joined. Out of the 340 school districts and charter schools in the state, with 830,000 students, 104 districts and charter schools serving 254,592 students are currently enrolled in the performance-pay program.
PAWLENTY: "There's only four governors in the country that got an A grade from the tough-grading Cato Institute for fiscal management. I was one of them." — ABC's "Good Morning America."
THE FACTS: Cato may be a tough grader, but it is hardly objective. The institute holds staunch libertarian views, including a passion for smaller government, and graded governors in 2010 according to their success in cutting taxes and spending. Pawlenty tied for third with Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, behind South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, both Republicans.
PAWLENTY: "I could stand here and tell you that we can solve America's debt crisis and fix our economy without making any tough choices. But we've heard those kinds of empty promises before."
THE FACTS: Although politicians typically talk about the need for hard choices, Pawlenty actually does name several. He proposes to phase out ethanol and corporate subsidies, raise the Social Security retirement age for young workers and restrain cost of living increases for Social Security recipients who are wealthy.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/23/fact-check-truth-pawlenty-claims/#ixzz1NDRdQ6z0
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tff how the hack focuses on crimes the guy did BEFORE his pardon that no one at the time knew of....and the fact that it was a unanimous decision which by the time it gets to the governor's office, if you have both the AG and CJ voting yes....it is rare a governor, based on the facts of statutory rape...NOT the other crimes as zappa is trying to get you to focus on....
and again....such civility from zappa
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Remind me, which poster was it whining about someone having a new word and using it repeatedly?
What was the word? Was it 'civility'?
No....
What was the word? Was it 'civility'?
No....
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this is why i ignore most of your posts....you're retarded. showing someone's hypocrisy when they demand others be civil is not learning a new word little troll, it is using their word against them. it is a common debate tactic among the intelligent, to use your opponents words against them.
i'm not surprised your feeble brain cannot grasp the difference between that an running all over the board posting hundreds of butt hurt posters <-- key word is posters little boy. and congratulations on posting something other than a link to someone else's thoughts and a poster, which compromise 95% of your posts. you may just be growing up, at 45 it is never too late legion.
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You "ignore most of" my posts?
Want to go back and count your responses and calculate the ratio?
I notice you didn't try to defend Pawlenty's exposed falsehoods, BTW.
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kiind of hard to do when you delete 80% of your posts or at least half your posts legion
and really, you do math, but i know you won't because you know i rarely respond to you
what falsehoods? and i notice you ignore the facts of the pardon....as usual. now you will simply subject us to links, not your thoughts....wait for it
and really, you do math, but i know you won't because you know i rarely respond to you
what falsehoods? and i notice you ignore the facts of the pardon....as usual. now you will simply subject us to links, not your thoughts....wait for it
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oh i see...you got me....a few posts today means i frequently respond to you...
i'm not surprised you ran away from the political issue though
i'm not surprised you ran away from the political issue though
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As Tim Pawlenty announced for president Monday, Minnesota’s last Republican governor, Arne Carlson, doused him with cold water.
Carlson, who served from 1991 to 1999, blasted Pawlenty Monday in a post on his blog headlined “The Presidency: A Bit Short Is Pawlenty.”
In it, Carlson accuses Pawlenty, who also served two terms as Minnesota governor, of presiding “over one of the larger tax increases in Minnesota history” and of putting political expediency above sound policy.
“The sad and tragic reality is that this is what happens when politics and simple slogans become the prime concern rather than quality long-term budgeting,” Carlson said of the $5.1 billion deficit Minnesota faced after Pawlenty left office in January.
The next president, Carlson wrote, “should have compelling leadership skills and a demonstrated background of financial excellence” as well as “a willingness to place the nation’s long-term well being ahead of short-term political gains.
“Unfortunately,” he added, “Governor Pawlenty falls short of this expectation.”
Carlson backed Pawlenty in his first gubernatorial run, in 2002, but turned against him thereafter.
He previously told POLITICO that he was ready to go to Iowa and New Hampshire if needed to make sure Republican primary voters saw the Pawlenty he knew.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55530.html#ixzz1NDkdHcIg
Carlson, who served from 1991 to 1999, blasted Pawlenty Monday in a post on his blog headlined “The Presidency: A Bit Short Is Pawlenty.”
In it, Carlson accuses Pawlenty, who also served two terms as Minnesota governor, of presiding “over one of the larger tax increases in Minnesota history” and of putting political expediency above sound policy.
“The sad and tragic reality is that this is what happens when politics and simple slogans become the prime concern rather than quality long-term budgeting,” Carlson said of the $5.1 billion deficit Minnesota faced after Pawlenty left office in January.
The next president, Carlson wrote, “should have compelling leadership skills and a demonstrated background of financial excellence” as well as “a willingness to place the nation’s long-term well being ahead of short-term political gains.
“Unfortunately,” he added, “Governor Pawlenty falls short of this expectation.”
Carlson backed Pawlenty in his first gubernatorial run, in 2002, but turned against him thereafter.
He previously told POLITICO that he was ready to go to Iowa and New Hampshire if needed to make sure Republican primary voters saw the Pawlenty he knew.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55530.html#ixzz1NDkdHcIg
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oh i see...you got me....a few posts today means i frequently respond to you...
i'm not surprised you ran away from the political issue though
You reply to my posts obsessively, freak.
Anyone can confirm it easily.
Do you think the board works like an Etch-a-Sketch?
You can't just shake your monitor and erase all your compulsive replies, liar.
Nothing to say about the political issues I raised in this thread; namely the exposure of Pawlenty's falsehoods in post 6 or Carlson's condemnation in post 14, Yurt?
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Another example of ignoring most of my posts and rarely replying?
Nice rebuttal of the facts, BTW, master debater.