the ATF has some 'splaining' to do

SmarterThanYou said:
http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/firearms_report.pdf


Lawmakers should give the ATF the tools it needs to fight illegal gun trafficking. They
should enact stronger penalties for straw purchases and craft a federal gun-smuggling statute;
close the gun-show loophole, which allows buyers under certain circumstances to purchase
weapons without a background check; resuscitate the ban on assault weapons; and give the ATF
the authority to collect data on multiple sales of long guns in border states. The Senate should
move quickly to confirm a director for the long-leaderless bureau.
We may never know whether the bureau would have launched the Fast and Furious
operation had it had other, more effective tools at its disposal. Those who would clobber the
bureau for possible mistakes should look in the mirror and accept some responsibility for its
failings.
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and the minority (democrat) blowjob report of their investigation reveals (shockingly........not) that the ATF needs even more tools to prevent illegal trafficking.


well how about that? all the things that the anti gunners have been wanting for years, all rolled up in to one tidy little P-O-S report.
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http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-has-some-splaining-to-do&p=832311#post832311
 
Whoops!

Melson brought his own lawyer to a private deposition for the committee on 7/4/11. This instead of doing the same with DOJ/ATF lawyers on scheduled date. Surprise for Holder and they sent him a letter after the fact, on July 5th.


http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwal...le-on-the-justice-department/?singlepage=true

Gunwalker: The ATF’s Kenneth Melson Blows the Whistle on the Justice Department

Posted By Hans A. von Spakovsky On July 6, 2011 @ 8:52 am In Crime,Homeland Security,Immigration,US News | 23 Comments

In a blockbuster development in the Operation Fast & Furious gun-running scandal, Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson secretly testified before House and Senate investigators on July 4 with his own personal lawyer present, former United States Attorney Richard Cullen, without the knowledge of the ATF or the Department of Justice.

This morning, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Charles Grassley released a copy of a letter [1] they sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on July 5 about Melson’s testimony. Melson’s revelations raise even more serious issues not only about the operation itself, but about apparent attempts by the Justice Department to mislead Congress on the details of the operation.

Contrary to the Justice Department’s denials, according to Melson, ATF agents specifically witnessed transfers of weapons from straw purchasers to third parties without taking any further action. Melson claimed that it was not until the public disclosure of the operation that he personally reviewed the “hundreds of documents” related to the case. He said he became “sick to his stomach” when he learned the full story. Even more shocking is that some of the “gun trafficking ‘higher-ups’ that the ATF sought to identify were already known to other agencies and may even have been paid as informants” by agencies such as the FBI and the DEA.

Melson provided detailed information and documents to the Office of the Deputy Attorney General at the Justice Department. But that information was not given to Congress by then-Acting Deputy Attorney General James Cole. In fact, “Melson was not allowed to communicate to Congress” and “Justice Department officials directed [ATF’s senior leadership] not to respond and took full control of replying to briefing and document requests from Congress.” According to the letter Issa and Grassley sent to Holder, it was “two days after [Melson] told [Cole] about serious issues involving lack of information sharing” that the Wall Street Journal suddenly reported that Melson was about to be ousted by the Obama administration...
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PDF of letter from Committee to Holder:

http://grassley.senate.gov/judiciar...EG-Issa-letter-to-Holder-Melson-interview.pdf

Oh and it's getting some MSM coverage this time too:

google news search "fast and furious":

American Response to Operation Fast and Furious
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BRET BAIER, ANCHOR: The White House today, responded to the questions about Operation Fast and Furious as Mexican officials say the guns that the ATF, ...
ATF Head Says Didn't Know Details of Fast and Furious‎ - Wall Street Journal
ATF Chief Tells Congress What He Knows About 'Fast And Furious'‎ - NPR (blog)
Fast & Furious Was Much Broader, Issa Charges‎ - U.S. News & World Report (blog)
CBS News - Power Line (blog)
all 105 news articles »
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Melson lobs obstruction accusation at DOJ

The Justice Department is obstructing the congressional investigation of a U.S. law enforcement operation intended to crack down on major weapons traffickers on the Southwest border, according to the embattled leader of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Ken Melson, the acting director of the ATF, lobbed the accusation when he sneaked in for an interview with congressional investigators on July 4, two days ahead of his scheduled interview with the inspector general about the operation known as "Fast and Furious," Fox News has learned.
 
gunwalker may prove to be a national strategy, not just one out of phoenix.

hopefully some links are coming, but there's currently some insider talk about a TAMPA SAC (special agent in charge) running guns to honduras.
 
Hell just froze over

the NYPost writes a column about gunwalker and doesn't demand more gun laws or citizen disarmament.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio...gets_hotter_for_holder_wDCoBUrOxYF8r1GobKS89M

Don't look now, but the real action in Washington this week isn't the parti san wrangling over the debt ceiling but something -- literally -- even more incendiary: Operation Fast and Furious, which seems about to explode right in the face of Attorney General Eric Holder -- and maybe other administration officials, too.

Also known as Project Gunrunner, the Arizona-based operation was supposed to be a sting, under which the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is part of the Justice Department, allowed "straw purchasers" to transfer weapons from gun shops in Arizona to Mexican drug cartels to trace and halt crossborder arms-trafficking.

That's the official version, anyway -- but it's crumbling, fast.
 
From the NY Post article:

...So if the identities of the Mexican criminals were known to the feds, what was the point of Project Gunrunner -- and why is Holder so desperately trying to stonewall by withholding hundreds of documents from Congress?

Law-abiding gun owners and dealers think they already know. With the Obama administration wedded to the fiction that 90 percent of the guns Mexican cartels use originate here -- they don't -- many suspect that "Fast and Furious" was a backdoor attempt to smear domestic gun aficionados as part of its stealth efforts on gun control by executive fiat.

"I just want you to know that we're working on it," Obama was quoted as saying to gun-control advocate Sarah Brady in March. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

Unfortunately for the administration, this one's out in the open now.

Melson testified behind closed doors on July 4, but the country needs to hear him speak -- loudly and publicly. "Let me be clear," Issa wrote to Melson in April, "we are not conducting a concurrent investigation with the Department of Justice, but rather an independent investigation of the Department of Justice."


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Indeed. This is one of those stories that the MSM decided didn't need to be watched, but alternative media did and kept at it. Some very good writers with substantial bona fides have been covering this since at least last January. They were all over the Obama remark to Brady last winter.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Click on the little arrow next to the name to go to the previous posts or just scroll back to the number of the post mentioned. In the time it takes you to post some BS response avoiding that, you could have actually read what has previously transpired. When you do that, THEN we can have an attempt at a rational discussion.
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I asked you to be specific, because I'm tired of going back, reading your posts, just to find out you're rambling.
 
43 additional weapons linked to illegal ATF ops

PHOENIX - The ABC15 Investigators have linked an additional 43 weapons recovered during a Phoenix traffic stop to the controversial Fast and Furious ATF case.

According to court paperwork, Phoenix Drug Enforcement Administration agents discovered the guns in mid-April. They pulled over a vehicle near 83rd Avenue and Interstate 10, near the Phoenix and Tolleson border.

Documents filed in federal court reveal five suspects named in the case are accused of conspiring to possess and distribute “500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine…”

Four of the suspects are listed as undocumented immigrants. The fifth suspect had been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa, according to court documents.

THE WEAPONS RECOVERED

Agents recovered at least 59 weapons during the bust. The ABC15 Investigators found 43 are connected to the Fast and Furious case with certainty.

We reviewed official ATF Suspect Gun Summary documents – a sort of “watch list” for suspicious gun sales and gun buyers. We matched serial numbers within the ATF documents to gun serial numbers contained within the federal court documents.
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makes me wonder if these were the guns that ATF demanded back from DEA and DEA refused.
 
Fort Worth police say an officer is expected to recover after surgery for a gunshot wound received while checking a report of a suspicious person.




Officer Sharron Neal says the officer spotted the subject on Thursday afternoon and got out of his car to make contact when the person shot him and fled on foot. She says the officer was able to radio that he'd been shot. He was on a street lined with businesses.




Neal says the officer was in stable condition after surgery at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, and that a 25-year-old man has been arrested.








http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7643853.html#ixzz1RSrV6mdp​
 
Our government is responsible for a lot of Mexican deaths.

Women, children, men, Mexican police, Mexican Military. US citizens as well.

This is worse than Watergate by far.

And I'm told that Obama just opened up the borders for the Mexican truck drivers.
 
http://nation.foxnews.com/gunwalker...on-walked-guns-honduras-and-ms13-gang-members

Leaders of the transnational organized criminal gang Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) even ordered a hit on a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent in New York.

There are now reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious. 1,000 of those guns were sold to MS13 buyers.
 
republicans block funding for long gun reporting in 4 states.

House Republicans on Wednesday voted to strip funding for a new Obama administration policy that increases reporting requirements for some gun dealers who sell semi-automatic rifles.

The rule from the Department of Justice (DOJ) requires dealers to report within five days multiple sales to the same person of semi-automatic rifles with removable magazines.

Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) sponsored the amendment to the fiscal year 2012 Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies appropriations bill that would nix funding for the rule.

"For more than a decade, efforts to track rifle purchases and create a national gun registry have failed to gain support in Congress, so the ATF is working to implement these regulations using rules written by unelected bureaucrats," Rehberg said. "I’m going to keep this government accountable to the people."

Democrats vehemently opposed Rehberg’s measure, which was supported by the National Rifle Association (NRA). Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) said stripping the funding from the rule would be akin to “virtual wholesale slaughter.”
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yo, rep. MORON (D-VA), try acquainting yourself with project gunwalker, you fucking hack.
 
ATF emails show F&F link to promote more gun control

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"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales.
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so the ATF breaks the law to create more laws. they so need to be done away with.
 
further investigation may include violations of the 'Arms Export Control Act', of which there are NO exemptions for any government entity to include the ATF, DOJ, and state department.
 
Liberty said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Click on the little arrow next to the name to go to the previous posts or just scroll back to the number of the post mentioned. In the time it takes you to post some BS response avoiding that, you could have actually read what has previously transpired. When you do that, THEN we can have an attempt at a rational discussion.
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I asked you to be specific, because I'm tired of going back, reading your posts, just to find out you're rambling.
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http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-has-some-splaining-to-do&p=831712#post831712

Say goodnight, gracie....shows over for you.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
ATF emails show F&F link to promote more gun control

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so the ATF breaks the law to create more laws. they so need to be done away with.
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More supposition and conjecture from a right wing/neocon/teabagger site. Gunners are desperately trying to nail this case down BEFORE all the information is in regarding official investigation...that way, they can attach their patented anti-gov't paranoia and ramblings as valid analysis.
 
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