Damo's post is nonsense. The executive branch cannot seal judicial branch records or label them Top Secret.
Most transparent administration ?.....not
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Damo's post is nonsense. The executive branch cannot seal judicial branch records or label them Top Secret.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
yep, and now it's not.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/nov/u-s-seals-court-records-border-patrol-s-murder
The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.
This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.
Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of more than 1,000 guns which have been used in numerous crimes. In Terry’s case, five illegal immigrants armed with at least two semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and Terry got hit.
We know this only because Washington D.C.’s conservative newspaper , the Washington Times, got ahold of the court documents before the government suddenly made them off limits. The now-sealed federal grand jury indictment tells the frightening story of how Terry was gunned down by Mexican drug smugglers patrolling the rugged desert with the intent to “intentionally and forcibly assault” Border Patrol agents.
You can see why the administration wants to keep this information from the public and the media, considering the smugglers were essentially armed by the U.S. government. Truth is, no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story. That means the public or media won’t have access to any new or old evidence, filings, rulings or arguments.
A number of high-ranking Border Patrol officials are questioning how the case is being handled. For instance, they wonder why the defendant (Manuel Osorio-Arellanes) hasn’t been tried even though it’s been almost a year since Terry’s murder. They also have concerns about the lack of transparency in the investigation, not to mention the recent sealing of the court case.
Osorio-Arellanes is charged with second-degree murder. The four other drug smugglers fled the scene and their names were blacked out in the indictment. In 2006 Osorio-Arellanes had been convicted in Phoenix of felony aggravated assault and in 2010 he was twice detained for being in the U.S. illegally.
During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this month to address the flawed gun-tracking program, Attorney General Eric Holder said it’s not fair to assume that mistakes in Operation Fast and Furious led to Terry’s death. Holder also expressed regret to the federal agent’s family, saying that he can only imagine their pain.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
there is no such oath. the oath is protecting the constitution of the united states from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
yes, an act that needs to be proven in a court of law before those rights are removed. unless you believe 9/11 negated the 5th and 6th Amendment.
I read all that. I don't really understand what it's actually saying. I also read the Washington Times article, which says that the indictment was sealed and the order sealing the indictment was sealed. If just the indictment was sealed, as was reported, it's pretty stupid because you can get a copy of it on the web. Here it is:
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kgun/KGUN/OsorioArellanoIndictment.pdf
But sealing the indictment doesn't seal all documents in the case, just the indictment. It doesn't mean that information about the case will be kept from the public and the media in the future.
Alias
Banned
Thanks, wrong words. Our military takes an oath to uphold the constitution from enemies who are foreign and domestic. I don't understand what your problem is with this bill.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
holding an american citizen, arrested on american soil, without charge or trial violates at least 3 amendments and two articles of the constitution. the bigger issue should be why you don't see a problem with it.
ONLY AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN CONVICTED BRAVO.
Alias
Banned
Because they are obviously engaged in Islamic terrorism or they wouldn't be arrested. When you find some people who are not terrorists who are being arrested then let us know. Do you have any examples to warrant your concern?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
In October 2001, nineteen-year-old Murat Kurnaz traveled to Pakistan to visit a madrassa. During a security check a few weeks after his arrival, he was arrested without explanation and for a bounty of $3,000, the Pakistani police sold him to U.S. forces. He was first taken to Kandahar, Afghanistan, where he was severely mistreated, and then two months later he was flown to Guantanamo as Prisoner #61. For more than 1,600 days, he was tortured and lived through hell. He was kept in a cage and endured daily interrogations, solitary confinement, and sleep deprivation. Finally, in August 2006, Kurnaz was released, with acknowledgment of his innocence.
Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo
Holy shit you are frigging ignorant. You never heard of false arrest?
Not one case of someone inocent being charged with a crime?
How can you be so fucking stupid?
Alias
Banned
Is that it? Do you know how many innocent people are inconvenienced and even murdered in this war? How many innocent people just going about their daily lives around the world are being murdered by Islamic terrorism and all you have is this?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Alias
Banned
So far we have ONE person. We have innocent people behind bars all over the world and you're gonna tell me that we need to scrap the law that will save lives over ONE person? Um....I don't think so. There are too many people in the USA with common sense.
No way this law stays intact loser.
By the way, the amount of "criminals" locked up in the U.S. is mind numbing, and makes us look more like a despotic 3rd world country than the world's leading superpower.
Alias
Banned
What the hell does that have to do with terrorism? Dumb ass.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
no, you should be ashamed of yourself. the framers set this country up so no innocent people would be imprisoned. now you're advocating locking up anyone who looks suspicious, indefinitely, just so you can feel safer. the EXACT OPPOSITE view of the founding fathers. how's that make you feel, nazi?
The Dept. of Justice is not in the judicial branch....The United States Department of Justice (DOJ), is the United States federal executive department responsible for the enforcement of the law and administration of justice
The Department is led by the Attorney General, who is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate and is a member of the Cabinet.
The current Attorney General is Eric Holder.
Alias
Banned
Where did I say that I'm "advocating locking up anyone who looks suspicious"?
You really need to get your emotions in check if you want to debate with me. When you can discuss the topic rationally without interjecting your ad homs and straw men then let me know.
How's that make you feel, pusillanimous pissant?
Why don't you two get together and tell us all about the TRIAL of Anwar al-Awlaki, US citizen, killed by Obama drone strike in Yemen....
I must have missed that trial and the jurys verdict.
the framers set this country up so no innocent people would be imprisoned.????
Really ?....Are you really gonna tell us that there are no innocent people in prison......?
(you gotta get back on your meds)