Obama Regulatory Regime Nixes Teens' Farm Jobs

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icedancer2theend

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This is why the nanny state needs to be curtailed!


Like baseball and apple pie, teenagers working on farms is part of the American way of life in rural areas, conjuring up iconic images of sunny afternoons baling hay in a spirit of camaraderie, downing the occasional soda or glass of lemonade together. Teens learn to work responsibly and earn money while they work close to home in an environment they enjoy while benefiting the small, local farmer. But the Department of Labor (DOL) is revising its child labor laws so stringently that anyone 16 and under will be forbidden from seeking employment on farms due to safety concerns.

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icedancer2theend said:
This is why the nanny state needs to be curtailed!


Like baseball and apple pie, teenagers working on farms is part of the American way of life in rural areas, conjuring up iconic images of sunny afternoons baling hay in a spirit of camaraderie, downing the occasional soda or glass of lemonade together. Teens learn to work responsibly and earn money while they work close to home in an environment they enjoy while benefiting the small, local farmer. But the Department of Labor (DOL) is revising its child labor laws so stringently that anyone 16 and under will be forbidden from seeking employment on farms due to safety concerns.

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this is a joke right, i do not know anyone that finds farm work 'fulfilling', besides, do we not want our youth in school instead of living in some non-existent agrarian utopia - besides, most farm is being automated as fast as possible so as not to have to pay for farm labor - very little in the way of family farms still exists, they have mostly been bought up by agribusinesses
 
Schadenfreude said:
this is a joke right, i do not know anyone that finds farm work 'fulfilling', besides, do we not want our youth in school instead of living in some non-existent agrarian utopia - besides, most farm is being automated as fast as possible so as not to have to pay for farm labor - very little in the way of family farms still exists, they have mostly been bought up by agribusinesses
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You are a blathering idiot. I have lived in CA; OR; and WA. All 3 states have family farms; orchards and ranches, many with kids who work on the farm; orchard; or ranch. Most of these kids eventually go off to college. I guarantee that this occurs in a number of other states as well.
 
icedancer2theend said:
You are a blathering idiot. I have lived in CA; OR; and WA. All 3 states have family farms; orchards and ranches, many with kids who work on the farm; orchard; or ranch. Most of these kids eventually go off to college. I guarantee that this occurs in a number of other states as well.
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your first line shows that you have no intent of joining debate, just spouting off

as for farms and attendant skills required, i suspect that those kids went on to college rather than stay on the farm

if you think that farm living is so good, why do you not live on a farm and do farm work - try it some time, i have
 
Schadenfreude said:
this is a joke right, i do not know anyone that finds farm work 'fulfilling', besides, do we not want our youth in school instead of living in some non-existent agrarian utopia - besides, most farm is being automated as fast as possible so as not to have to pay for farm labor - very little in the way of family farms still exists, they have mostly been bought up by agribusinesses
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Wow. So, small farms bad, big "1%" owned conglomerations good... Got it. You should chant that at the next Occupier camp you go by, they'll love you.
 
Dungheap said:
I didn't get the bold from the post at all.
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He was dismissive of any Agrarian lifestyle where kids work to help on the farms, in fact he said they "didn't exist". I got that bolded portion from his post because of the incredibly dismissive attitude he held towards any of the smaller family owned farms. BTW - They are most certainly not non-existent. According to him, nobody could possibly want to farm, it couldn't be "fulfilling" and we should ignore people who do because they "don't exist" as big farming companies exist that are taking them over. Good job there, Dung...
 
Damocles said:
He was dismissive of any Agrarian lifestyle where kids work to help on the farms, in fact he said they "didn't exist". I got that bolded portion from his post because of the incredibly dismissive attitude he held towards any of the smaller family owned farms. BTW - They are most certainly not non-existent. According to him, nobody could possibly want to farm, it couldn't be "fulfilling" and we should ignore people who do because they "don't exist" as big farming companies exist that are taking them over. Good job there, Dung...
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I think you are reading a hell of a lot more into the post than is there.
 
Dungheap said:
I think you are reading a hell of a lot more into the post than is there.
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And I think you are ignoring what was said in the post because you want to side with somebody who is working as an apologist for Obama in any capacity.
 
Damocles said:
And I think you are ignoring what was said in the post because you want to side with somebody who is working as an apologist for Obama in any capacity.
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I'm not siding with anyone. I just didn't read that post the way you did. I didn't see any value judgment relative to family farms versus agribusiness. The only value judgment I saw was that farm work sucks.
 
Dungheap said:
I'm not siding with anyone. I just didn't read that post the way you did. I didn't see any value judgment relative to family farms versus agribusiness. The only value judgment I saw was that farm work sucks.
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:rolleyes: And that we "don't want our children doing that when they could instead be in our government monopoly schools learning what we want them to" and that "those farms don't exist any more it is all owned by agribusiness"...

As I said, you simply ignore what the post says so you can relate it to what you want it to say instead. I'm good with that, but that you "didn't get that" from the post isn't surprising to me because of what I said in my last post.
 
Dungheap said:
I didn't get the bold from the post at all.
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Schadenfreude said:
this is a joke right, i do not know anyone that finds farm work 'fulfilling', besides, do we not want our youth in school instead of living in some non-existent agrarian utopia - besides, most farm is being automated as fast as possible so as not to have to pay for farm labor - very little in the way of family farms still exists, they have mostly been bought up by agribusinesses
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are you a city raised child? I was not and I worked on several farms. I found it fulfilling because it gave me a paycheck, plus I got to work in the outdoors (fresh air) as well as with the animals I loved. so what is it about children working on farms that your elitism finds abhorent?
 
Dungheap said:
Really? Where is that post does he say that family farms are bad and the agribusinesses are good?
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It's the old 'poo poo' attitude that elitists often throw around for things they really don't care about or find distasteful. something that we should disregard and not acknowledge.
 
Schadenfreude said:
your first line shows that you have no intent of joining debate, just spouting off

as for farms and attendant skills required, i suspect that those kids went on to college rather than stay on the farm

if you think that farm living is so good, why do you not live on a farm and do farm work - try it some time, i have
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the family farms still exist throughout the country. You clearly have no clue when it comes to the topic. Yes, many of the kids go on to college. Many of them take over the family farms after getting Ag degrees.

The stupidity of the 'under 16 can't work' is just more liberal nonsense of the 'government deciding what is best for you'. Many family farms will go under if the kids in the family are not allowed to work until age 16.

this nonsense is going to drive many of the family farmers out of business. You are thus supporting the destruction of the family farm in favor of large agribusiness.
 
Dungheap said:
I'm not siding with anyone. I just didn't read that post the way you did. I didn't see any value judgment relative to family farms versus agribusiness. The only value judgment I saw was that farm work sucks.
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Of COURSE you are siding with someone...you DIDN'T side with Damo, therefore you MUST be siding with Shadenfreude
 
Superfreak said:
the family farms still exist throughout the country. You clearly have no clue when it comes to the topic. Yes, many of the kids go on to college. Many of them take over the family farms after getting Ag degrees.

The stupidity of the 'under 16 can't work' is just more liberal nonsense of the 'government deciding what is best for you'. Many family farms will go under if the kids in the family are not allowed to work until age 16.

this nonsense is going to drive many of the family farmers out of business. You are thus supporting the destruction of the family farm in favor of large agribusiness.
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Kids in the family are statutorily exempted from the FLSA and no regulation can change that. This proposed regulation certainly doesn't.
 
Dungheap said:
Kids in the family are statutorily exempted from the FLSA and no regulation can change that. This proposed regulation certainly doesn't.
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so all familial relations are covered or just immediate family? Can they work on each others farms?

Are they just allowed to work on their families farms or are they able to help neighbors?

I really don't think you grasp how a farming community operates.
 
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