8 Facts That Prove the Tea Party Is Ignorant of the U.S. Constitution

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

There are many benefits to a nationalized health care system. One thing is standardized forms. Ones medical history is entered into a computer and that information is readily available for any doctor. For example, your family doctor sends you to a specialist. He can immediately pull up your complete chart.

Then there's billing. The internet is swamped with at-home medical billing "jobs". Who is paying for that? The ill person, that's who.

There are a lot of savings to be had with national health care.

There is NO benefit to a nationalized health care system. There can be standardized forms and databases without nationalizing the system. I don't even understand your complaint about medical billing, are you still living in the fantasy that health care can be provided without billing someone for it? In our society, people work and do jobs because they get paid for them. How do you figure those who administer health care services, are going to do it and not bill for it? If the government is paying, they still have to send the bill, don't they?

Look... your nationalized health care system works in a Socialistic society, where the people and culture are socialistic-thinking, and the relationship between the citizen and the government is much different than it is here, because of our liberties and freedoms under the Constitution. We are a capitalistic free-enterprise society, our entire culture and way of thinking is centered around this, and so, socialistic ideas tend to fail or grossly under-perform their private enterprise counterparts. In a nationalized system, the people have fewer options and choices, they are much more limited in the decision-making regarding their health care. To many of us, this encroachment on our liberty is enough to foster opposition, and that is what you have... fierce strong opposition, who are simply NOT going let this matter go away, or roll over and accept it. We're not going to 'get used to it' and it's not going to 'soak in' after time, we didn't want it to begin with, and we still don't want it now!

 

[SmarterthanYou]

There are many benefits to a nationalized health care system. One thing is standardized forms. Ones medical history is entered into a computer and that information is readily available for any doctor. For example, your family doctor sends you to a specialist. He can immediately pull up your complete chart.

Then there's billing. The internet is swamped with at-home medical billing "jobs". Who is paying for that? The ill person, that's who.

There are a lot of savings to be had with national health care.

i'd like to introduce to you a word called bureaucracy. this would normally entail an office with enough personnel to efficiently run whatever business it's attached to, however, when used alongside a government operation it becomes bloated, expensive, and inefficient.

 

[apple0154]

There is NO benefit to a nationalized health care system. There can be standardized forms and databases without nationalizing the system. I don't even understand your complaint about medical billing, are you still living in the fantasy that health care can be provided without billing someone for it? In our society, people work and do jobs because they get paid for them. How do you figure those who administer health care services, are going to do it and not bill for it? If the government is paying, they still have to send the bill, don't they?

Yes, one bill sent electronically. No billing different insurance companies along with billing individual patients for extras. Also, there would be no delinquent accounts. No paying collection agencies.

Look... your nationalized health care system works in a Socialistic society, where the people and culture are socialistic-thinking, and the relationship between the citizen and the government is much different than it is here, because of our liberties and freedoms under the Constitution. We are a capitalistic free-enterprise society, our entire culture and way of thinking is centered around this, and so, socialistic ideas tend to fail or grossly under-perform their private enterprise counterparts. In a nationalized system, the people have fewer options and choices, they are much more limited in the decision-making regarding their health care. To many of us, this encroachment on our liberty is enough to foster opposition, and that is what you have... fierce strong opposition, who are simply NOT going let this matter go away, or roll over and accept it. We're not going to 'get used to it' and it's not going to 'soak in' after time, we didn't want it to begin with, and we still don't want it now!

socialistic ideas tend to fail or grossly under-perform their private enterprise counterparts. Maybe but not when it comes to government medical. People living in virtually every industrialized country that has government medical live longer and living is what medical is all about or should be all about.

 

[apple0154]

i'd like to introduce to you a word called bureaucracy. this would normally entail an office with enough personnel to efficiently run whatever business it's attached to, however, when used alongside a government operation it becomes bloated, expensive, and inefficient.

But the cost per patient in countries with government medical is 1/3 less than in the US. even with the supposed bureaucracy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Maybe but not when it comes to government medical. People living in virtually every industrialized country that has government medical live longer and living is what medical is all about or should be all about.

I'm sure you have some sort of proof for this?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

I'm sure you have some sort of proof for this?

according to our very own CIA.....we are number 50

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

 

[SmarterthanYou]

so apple just misspoke himself? surely he wouldn't embellish facts, would he?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

so apple just misspoke himself? surely he wouldn't embellish facts, would he?

apple was full of hyperbole and usually is....he had a point though....i'm not proud of being 50th. not saying that is solely the result of h/c....just saying.

 

[christiefan915]

The occupy movement was training. They're preparing the useful idiots in case they need them if the law gets struck down. All the parasites are looking forward to free health care. If it gets struck down they will be very angry.

Mods need to move this post to the conspiracy forum.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Maybe they have a doctor phobia?

So now you have two reasons you'll accept.

Those that prefer to be ill and those who have phobias.
Any other circumstances that you'll accept?

 

[apple0154]

I'm sure you have some sort of proof for this?

Glad you asked.


2000: http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm
2007: http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/p/lifeexpectancy.htm
2011: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_tot_pop-life-expectancy-birth-total-population

Year 2000……………...……….. 2007……………..….......2011

Australia: 79.8…………………..80.5……………………………81.8
Canada: 79.4 ……………………..80.2………………………….81.3
France: 78.8 ………………………79.7……………………….….81.1
Germany: 77.4…………………..78.8……………………….….80.0
Greece: 78.4……………………..N/A……………………….…..79.9
Italy: 79.0……………………..…..79.8………………………….81.7
Israel: 78.6…………………..…….N/A…………………..……..80.9
Netherlands: 78.3………..……N/A………………………….…79.6
New Zealand: 77.8…….……..N/A…………………….……..80.5
Spain: 78.8………………….…….N/A…………………………….81.1
Switzerland: 79.6………….…..80.5……………………………81.0
United Kingdom: 77.7…….…78.5……….………………….80.0
US: 77.1…………………………...77.8……………………………78.3

 

[apple0154]

so apple just misspoke himself? surely he wouldn't embellish facts, would he?

Me, embellish? Please!!! You're confusing me with a right wing propagandist.

 

[apple0154]

apple was full of hyperbole and usually is....he had a point though....i'm not proud of being 50th. not saying that is solely the result of h/c....just saying.

Hyperbole? Your link verifies what I stated. The vast majority of citizens in industrialized countries with government medical have longer life spans. Australia, Canada, France, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Sweden, Israel....the list goes on.

 

[apple0154]

So now you have two reasons you'll accept.

Those that prefer to be ill and those who have phobias.
Any other circumstances that you'll accept?

I don't know. Can you think of any?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Glad you asked.


2000: http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm
2007: http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedicine/p/lifeexpectancy.htm
2011: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_tot_pop-life-expectancy-birth-total-population

Year 2000……………...……….. 2007……………..….......2011

Australia: 79.8…………………..80.5……………………………81.8
Canada: 79.4 ……………………..80.2………………………….81.3
France: 78.8 ………………………79.7……………………….….81.1
Germany: 77.4…………………..78.8……………………….….80.0
Greece: 78.4……………………..N/A……………………….…..79.9
Italy: 79.0……………………..…..79.8………………………….81.7
Israel: 78.6…………………..…….N/A…………………..……..80.9
Netherlands: 78.3………..……N/A………………………….…79.6
New Zealand: 77.8…….……..N/A…………………….……..80.5
Spain: 78.8………………….…….N/A…………………………….81.1
Switzerland: 79.6………….…..80.5……………………………81.0
United Kingdom: 77.7…….…78.5……….………………….80.0
US: 77.1…………………………...77.8……………………………78.3

Your statistics do not prove these countries have superior health care. What they do prove is, people worldwide are living longer, thanks to advancements in medicine, largely due to AMERICAN medical research and development. It is simply shallow-minded and ignorant to assume that average longevity directly ties to health care, there are a million different factors in play.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I don't know. Can you think of any?

Yep, but what purpose would it serve; seeing as how you reject everything that anyone suggests, that goes against your preconceived conclusions.

 

[apple0154]

Your statistics do not prove these countries have superior health care. What they do prove is, people worldwide are living longer, thanks to advancements in medicine, largely due to AMERICAN medical research and development. It is simply shallow-minded and ignorant to assume that average longevity directly ties to health care, there are a million different factors in play.

Dixie. Dixie. Dixie. Are you asserting Americans are predisposed to live shorter lives? I suppose one could argue that since Americans are the most free people and they can do more things during their life it's not necessary for them to live as long as others. I suppose one could argue that due to Americans living such a fine lifestyle they don't require as long a life in order to enjoy everything. I suppose one could posit the good Lord cursed the water and air surrounding the country thus leading to shorter lives. (You know; homosexuality, abortion, no school prayer, etc) Considering there are many millions of Right Wing fruitcakes, yes, they could list a million different reasons.

Recall the Iowan giving advice to Newt, one Right Winger to another, "You're an embarrassment. Quit before you make a fool of yourself." Even some Right Wingers are able to discern absurdity, outrageousness, sheer nonsense. Seek council, Dix, and remember the vast majority of Americans are descendants of the people who lived in the countries that currently have government medical and currently live longer.

As your Mamma probably told you many times, "Put on your thinking cap, Dixie."

 

[apple0154]

Yep, but what purpose would it serve; seeing as how you reject everything that anyone suggests, that goes against your preconceived conclusions.

The purpose would be the reasons offered could be debunked and, hopefully, you'd understand.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie. Dixie. Dixie. Are you asserting Americans are predisposed to live shorter lives? I suppose one could argue that since Americans are the most free people and they can do more things during their life it's not necessary for them to live as long as others. I suppose one could argue that due to Americans living such a fine lifestyle they don't require as long a life in order to enjoy everything. I suppose one could posit the good Lord cursed the water and air surrounding the country thus leading to shorter lives. (You know; homosexuality, abortion, no school prayer, etc) Considering there are many millions of Right Wing fruitcakes, yes, they could list a million different reasons.

Recall the Iowan giving advice to Newt, one Right Winger to another, "You're an embarrassment. Quit before you make a fool of yourself." Even some Right Wingers are able to discern absurdity, outrageousness, sheer nonsense. Seek council, Dix, and remember the vast majority of Americans are descendants of the people who lived in the countries that currently have government medical and currently live longer.

As your Mamma probably told you many times, "Put on your thinking cap, Dixie."

Like I said, if you want to ignorantly assume that people live longer simply because they have better health care, that's your business, but you are wrong. One could most certainly argue that an isolated country in frigid Scandinavia, is far less likely to see outbreaks of deadly viruses... fewer foreigners migrating there to introduce new strains of viruses... less food additives and preservatives... less travel, resulting in fewer travel accidents, significantly increasing life expectancy... a simpler lifestyle, less stress, causing less deaths... diets consisting of more fish and less red meat... low crime rates resulting in fewer violent deaths... all of these things can (and are) factors in the mortality rates of other countries.

Look at the life expectancy by state... Hawaiians have the longest life expectancy, but Hawaii doesn't have more hospitals and doctors or better health care than other states. The lowest life expectancy is Washington DC, and there are more government-run hospitals there, per capita, than anywhere else in the country. Why do Hawaiians live longer? A lot of factors, like I mentioned before. Of all the different groups of people in America, Eskimos have the longest life expectancy, not because of having better health care or more access to health care, but because of their culture. Poor black people tend to live shorter lives, but they have access to all federal government resources regarding health care. There is just nothing to show that government-run health care is what causes people to live longer lives. Whether you keep telling yourself this because you are just too ignorant to comprehend the facts, or you have a political agenda, doesn't really matter... you are still flat out WRONG!

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

...Look at the life expectancy by state... Hawaiians have the longest life expectancy, but Hawaii doesn't have more hospitals and doctors or better health care than other states. The lowest life expectancy is Washington DC, and there are more government-run hospitals there, per capita, than anywhere else in the country...

LOL, doublewide Dixie thinks because there are "government-run hospitals" in an area, people should live longer - a non-sequitur...of course, he also thinks the Soviet Union didn't exist during WWII, and thinks 1/3 isn't a real fraction.

Notice he cites no facts for his contentions.

The District of Columbia boasts one of the finest health care systems in the country. Its 14 hospitals, many of which are affiliated with major medical schools and research centers, include hospitals at Georgetown, Howard, and George Washington universities. The city offers state-of-the-art specialty hospitals for women, children, and veterans; world-renowned centers for neuroscientific research and the study of fertility, pregnancy, and development; and nationally recognized services for trauma, cancer, heart disease, and organ transplants. Also nearby is the Johns Hopkins Hospital and Health Systems, supported by the university's School of Medicine and one of the most renowned medical care and research facilities in the world. In 2003 the institution was named the nation's best hospital, second best medical college, and was the largest recipient of National Institutes of Health funding in America.

http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/Washington-D-C-Health-Care.html

The largest public hospital system in America is the New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which is associated with the New York University School of Medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_hospital#United_States


Hawaii's health care system insures 92% (2009) of residents. Under the state's plan, businesses are required to provide insurance to employees who work more than twenty hours per week. Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers down. Due in part to heavy emphasis on preventive care, Hawaiians require hospital treatment less frequently than the rest of the United States, while total health care expenses (measured as a percentage of state GDP) are substantially lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#Health