Ronald Reagan Documentary

The Dude said:
what did the budget do under Reagan,
the right doesn't like science but fuck the small gov BS is laughable. fucking morons

talk about the economy improving, likely due to all the gov spending fucktards.
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No moron it was not. The economy grew because Volcker killed inflation with higher interest rates.

Reagan ran deficits like every President since Ike.
 
The Dude said:
I was all with them when I was younger and the stock market was all that mattered to me. All you have to do is read a little and you don't spew off that retard making statement of small gov. These morons are too stupid to look at what he did instead of just the script he read from.
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Exactly, I was all with them too back then but, like you, I look at what he actually did too and made up my mind accordingly.
 
Superfreak said:
No moron it was not. The economy grew because Volcker killed inflation with higher interest rates.

Reagan ran deficits like every President since Ike.
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Tell me what gov spending did under Reagan you facist fudgePacker
 
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Superfreak said:
Which one of us states the ACTUAL FACTS... WITH THE DATA TO BACK IT UP?

Which one of us runs away every time that happens?
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Dude, you just ignore facts, believe what you want to believe, find data that from spurious sources that fit your world view and do a bunch of ankle biting.

Carter was a putz ok and Reagan was a man of flesh and not a right wing God. If you want to talk about them then please do so from reality and the facts about them and not the made up mythological bullshit you've been spoon fed. We were there. We heard what Reagan said and we saw what he actually did. So go take your ankle biting else where and go change your diaper as us grownups are trying to have an adult conversation.
 
Superfreak said:
Inflation rate when Carter took office.... 5.2%
Inflation rate when Carter left office..... 11.8%
http://www.miseryindex.us/irbyyear.asp

Unemployment when Carter took office... 7.5%
Unemployment when Carter left office... 7.5%
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

GDP growth when Carter took office... 5.4%
GDP growth when Carter left office.... -0.3%
http://www.bea.gov/national/

Once again, time for Mutt to run away....
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OK dip fuck. Why did inflation go up to 11.8% under Carter? Huh? Why?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Dude, you just ignore facts, believe what you want to believe, find data that from spurious sources that fit your world view and do a bunch of ankle biting.
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ROFLMAO.... suspicious sources? YOU MEAN DATA SITES RUN BY THE US GOVERNMENT? You fucking moron.

Also Mutt... tell us WHAT sites or data do YOU use to support your position?

Carter was a putz ok and Reagan was a man of flesh and not a right wing God.
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This is just more of YOUR nonsense. In no way am I stating Reagan was a God blah blah blah. I have acknowledged his faults countless times. So enough of your bullshit straw men.

If you want to talk about them then please do so from reality and the facts about them and not the made up mythological bullshit you've been spoon fed.
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ROFLMAO... I am posting ACTUAL FUCKING DATA... YOU are the one spitting out bullshit.

We were there. We heard what Reagan said and we saw what he actually did. So go take your ankle biting else where and go change your diaper as us grownups are trying to have an adult conversation.
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For the 100th time... I was born in '71. I remember Ford as President. I remember Carter as President. I most certainly remember what Reagan did as President. You spout off nonsense, I respond with ACTUAL DATA from GOVERNMENT resources and you have the gall to tell me you are the one being the grown up?

All you do is attack ME mutt... you never seem to have a response for the ACTUAL DATA. I wonder why that is Mutt?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
OK dip fuck. Why did inflation go up to 11.8% under Carter? Huh? Why?
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The point DIP FUCK... is that he did NOT INHERIT it from Ford. DO you get that DIP FUCK? It happened on HIS WATCH. You know... that thing you keep shouting about Bush. Even though it wasn't Bush's policies that were the main cause of the economic collapse, you still blame Bush for it.


Tell us genius.... WHAT did Carter do to improve our energy production? Oh yeah, he created preservation areas and prevented energy production from being expanded. He left us vulnerable.
 
Rana said:
I love Ronald Reagan Jr., I will have to check it out, thanks!
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The only thing new I got out of the documentary was that Reagan was possibly a snitch for the FBI, I haven't ever read that about him before, even Ron, Jr. didn't like that aspect about his dad.

I still don't like Ronald Reagan the politician. He still started class warfare and liked deficits.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No, I don't believe it was that one. That sounds like a PBS documentary. Though I'm reasonably sure you probably won't like this one either. They interview quite a few right wing partisans and few, if any, left wing partisans. Still and all, the documentary is fair and accurate not only about Reagan but to history as well.

The criticisms made about Reagan, and they were more then fair about extolling his virtues, were correct and accurate. The most serious criticism made in the documentary about Reagan was quite surprising as it comes from a man who was a serious Reagan partisan and it comes at the very end of the documentary.

I liked the documentary because it portrayed Reagan as the man of flesh I voted for twice and not the mythological idol that the Grover Norquist gang has tried to create about him. The documentary does a good job in demolishing these myths. Among my favorites is how they demolish the mythology of Reagan being a small government conservative.
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I can proudly say I never voted for the man and am proud that I did not help start the downfall of the middle class in The USA
 
Rana said:
The only thing new I got out of the documentary was that Reagan was possibly a snitch for the FBI, I haven't ever read that about him before, even Ron, Jr. didn't like that aspect about his dad.

I still don't like Ronald Reagan the politician. He still started class warfare and liked deficits.
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1) Class Warfare started long before Reagan took office. It was the class warfare that led to the formation of unions. It really began back in the late 1800's (in the US anyway).

2) If you don't like Reagan due to class warfare and deficits, you must really not like Obama... right?

3) Ron Jr. is a putz.
 
Rana said:
I can proudly say I never voted for the man and am proud that I did not help start the downfall of the middle class in The USA
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LMAO... you realize of course that the standard of living for the middle class rose during Reagan's tenure and for a decade plus after he left office?
 
Jarod said:
Are you giving Reagan credit for the decade after?
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While his policies certainly helped, the point Jarod the obtuse one is that the middle class 'decline' is nothing short of a myth. The standard of living for our middle class increased from Reagan to Bush to Clinton. It then went stagnant.
 
Superfreak said:
While his policies certainly helped, the point Jarod the obtuse one is that the middle class 'decline' is nothing short of a myth. The standard of living for our middle class increased from Reagan to Bush to Clinton. It then went stagnant.
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"Standard of living" is kind of a mushy concept. Can you define it such that you can look at specific metrics to determine whether they increased or decreased? Are we talking about color TVs and cable or wages, income, leisure time, household debt and the like?
 
Superfreak said:
Inflation rate when Carter took office.... 5.2%
Inflation rate when Carter left office..... 11.8%
http://www.miseryindex.us/irbyyear.asp

Unemployment when Carter took office... 7.5%
Unemployment when Carter left office... 7.5%
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

GDP growth when Carter took office... 5.4%
GDP growth when Carter left office.... -0.3%
http://www.bea.gov/national/

Once again, time for Mutt to run away....
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oh....and by the way maybe you never heard of Nixons wage and price controls of 1971? Did you hear about Nixon unilaterally cancelling the direct convertability of the US Dollar to gold? Did you ever hear he then increased the printing of money by 10% to pay down debt and causing inflation to take off? Those knuckle headed stunts were the real underlying cause of the stagflation period of the 70's. Those dumb ass moves combined with the additional shock of the 1973 oil crisis (caused by the Arab oil embargo due to Nixon's decision to resupply Israel's military during the the Yom Kippur War) exasperated the situation even further. Then Carter implemented Voelker's monetary advice, which ultimately worked but in the short term drove up both inflation and unemployment which were further aggravated by the 1979 oil panic caused by the Iranian revolution which Carter had nothing to fucking do with.

So before you start your fucking ankle biting try studying a little history and know what the fuck the facts are before you start drinking your kool-aid.

http://countrystudies.us/united-states/history-126.htm
 
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