If Republicans had any guts... Ron Paul!

In many ways I really like Ron Paul. He is the only canidate that is not willing to play politics, he is true to his core belifes, and I agree with a LOT (not all) of what he promotes.


Why is he not at the top of the Republican field, why is he not discussed as the potential nominee?

Because he's not a NAZI, or a national socialist.

Most republicans seem to want a big police state, prisons, and big government. Paul is a threat to that.
 
Ron Paul is the man, he can gargle peanut butter

How come no one seems to want to discuss the 800 pound gorilla in the room?

Ron Paul believes our own Government played a part in the attacks on 9/11.

Ran Paul is a crazy old man...admittedly, a crazy old man with a few good ideas, but those good ideas are all wrapped up in inside his CRAZY!
 
How come no one seems to want to discuss the 800 pound gorilla in the room?

Ron Paul believes our own Government played a part in the attacks on 9/11.

Ran Paul is a crazy old man...admittedly, a crazy old man with a few good ideas, but those good ideas are all wrapped up in inside his CRAZY!

Care to provide me with a source for that? I know he's been critical of the 9/11 commission report, but beyond that I haven't heard anything.
 
From Pauls website
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-09-11/ron-paul-on-911-ask-the-right-questions-and-face-the-truth/
Though it is hard for many to believe, honest studies show that the real motivation behind the September 11 attacks and the vast majority of other instances of suicide terrorism is not that our enemies are bothered by our way of life. Neither is it our religion, or our wealth. Rather, it is primarily occupation. If you were to imagine for a moment how you would feel if another country forcibly occupied the United States, had military bases and armed soldiers present in our hometowns, you might begin to understand why foreign occupation upsets people so much. Robert Pape has extensively researched this issue and goes in depth in his book “Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It”. In fact, of 2,200 incidents of suicide attacks he has studied worldwide since 1980, 95% were in response to foreign occupation.
 
In many ways I really like Ron Paul. He is the only canidate that is not willing to play politics, he is true to his core belifes, and I agree with a LOT (not all) of what he promotes.


Why is he not at the top of the Republican field, why is he not discussed as the potential nominee?

Because of what people see as "his incredibly naive Foreign Policy stances". He doesn't do well explaining his stance on foreign policy.
 

Saying, "We'll get out of the Middle East" without explaining the why and wherefore just makes him look like he's ignoring very real threats.

Again, it's because of what people perceive as a naive foreign policy. He doesn't do well explaining his stance in the short times he gets during debates. What is sad is that with a ton of information available, most people will never look it up and get their info from talking heads. Left and right, most people who vote are woefully (IMO) undereducated on the candidates and their policies.
 
Saying, "We'll get out of the Middle East" without explaining the why and wherefore just makes him look like he's ignoring very real threats.

Again, it's because of what people perceive as a naive foreign policy. He doesn't do well explaining his stance in the short times he gets during debates. What is sad is that with a ton of information available, most people will never look it up and get their info from talking heads. Left and right, most people who vote are woefully (IMO) undereducated on the candidates and their policies.

I had not considered that, but the preception that he is naive relating to FP is doing him in with the true conservative. I suspect his small physical stature does not help the perception of him as a strong FP leader also.
 
How come no one seems to want to discuss the 800 pound gorilla in the room?

Ron Paul believes our own Government played a part in the attacks on 9/11.

Ran Paul is a crazy old man...admittedly, a crazy old man with a few good ideas, but those good ideas are all wrapped up in inside his CRAZY!
Die you gravey sucking pig
Ron Paul wants to end the un winnable war on stoners
 
Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because, while he clings to his core beliefs and doesn't waffle, his core beliefs and policy ideas are crazy. Too crazy for Republicans, even.
 
I had not considered that, but the preception that he is naive relating to FP is doing him in with the true conservative. I suspect his small physical stature does not help the perception of him as a strong FP leader also.

I don't see that, Bush was a tiny man with a girly grip.
 
How come no one seems to want to discuss the 800 pound gorilla in the room?

Ron Paul believes our own Government played a part in the attacks on 9/11.

Ran Paul is a crazy old man...admittedly, a crazy old man with a few good ideas, but those good ideas are all wrapped up in inside his CRAZY!

Ron Paul believes our policies played a part in the attacks on 9/11. I haven't heard him say "our own Government played a part in the attacks on 9/11."
 
Care to provide me with a source for that? I know he's been critical of the 9/11 commission report, but beyond that I haven't heard anything.

I used to have to spend a lot of time in the car commuting, and I'd listen to some of the talking heads.

Ron Paul has been on Alex Jones discussing the possibility and I heard him once on the Michael Medved show where Michael asked him again and again, but he refused to state for the record that the USA didn't have anything to do with 9/11.
 
I used to have to spend a lot of time in the car commuting, and I'd listen to some of the talking heads.

Ron Paul has been on Alex Jones discussing the possibility and I heard him once on the Michael Medved show where Michael asked him again and again, but he refused to state for the record that the USA didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

If you believed that, in part, our own policies pushed some of those people into terrorism in desperate anger would you say that was the same thing as believing that they may have had "something" to do with it even if you believed they were not complicit in it?

This is like saying that crack "robbed" somebody because an addict robbed somebody so they could buy crack. Crack didn't do the act, even if it played a role in the reason for the robbery.

If you asked me to deny that crack had something to do with it, I could not. Crack clearly had something to do with it.
 
If you believed that, in part, our own policies pushed some of those people into terrorism in desperate anger would you say that was the same thing as believing that they may have had "something" to do with it even if you believed they were not complicit in it?

This is like saying that crack "robbed" somebody because an addict robbed somebody so they could buy crack. Crack didn't do the act, even if it played a role in the reason for the robbery.

If you asked me to deny that crack had something to do with it, I could not. Crack clearly had something to do with it.

Sorry, but no.

Saying our foreign policies overseas created an attitude in certain people that led to the attacks is one thing...saying our Government was complicit in the attacks is another.
 
Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because, while he clings to his core beliefs and doesn't waffle, his core beliefs and policy ideas are crazy. Too crazy for Republicans, even.

his core beliefs, principles, and policy ideas are in line with that of the constitution and that much individual freedom for people that others can't control scares the shit out of dems and repubs.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it came to light that our own government was behind 9/11.

Thanks to ZappasGuitar, I listened to Alex Jones today. He had a really good show. I think I'm going to check him out more often.
 
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