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Nicely put.
If Republicans had any guts... Ron Paul!
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Nicely put.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
I'm on board so far.
Eh, not so on board with this
Well we should at the very least diminish our role in the organizations. If you don't want insane levels of defense spending, and involvement in international affairs, you need to get out of this problematic organizations.
Billy the Great Khan
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You've yet to provide any evidence that he actually said that. At best you have the memory of a talk radio program where he refused to say otherwise.
Which was my point. When asked if crack "had anything to do with" the robbery in my example what would you say?
It was clearly not complicit, but that wasn't the question that was asked.
You stated, "When he was asked to deny that the US government 'had anything to do with' the attacks on 9/11" that he wouldn't deny that...
He believes that, in part, our policies led these people to do what they did. He has never said, nor has there been any indication that he believes, that the US Government used planes to kill our own citizens. That's just stupid.
You clearly can see the difference, you are just deliberately obtuse because of an "R" by his name.
zappasguitar
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Yeah, and you clearly see the differences also, but in true disingenuous douchebag Damo fashion, you refuse to acknowledge what Paul himself has already said.
But hey, no problem...if he's your boy and this is disturbing news to you, split whatever hair you have to to help you sleep at night.
You know who the "9/11 truthers" are? They think our Government helped in the attacks on 9/11 and Ron Paul has courted their votes, attended their conferences and espoused their views. Paul has refused to say he was 100% certain that our Government wasn't involved in the 9/11 attacks.
zappasguitar
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Nor will you find any forthcoming...go google "Ron Paul and the 9.11 truthers"...see what comes up.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
I did, it's where I found the link I posted.
Interesting, I point out what he actually says and this is your response. You get defensive when you are losing an argument.
I know it is embarrassing to know you are losing on the merits of your argument. I'm sorry it happens to you so often.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
You pointed out what he "actually said"?
Where exactly?
You refuted nothing, you simply claimed I was "stupid", a typical Damo dodge when you find yourself on the losing side of an argument.
The FACT remains that Paul has yet to deny that our Government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
Right. Thankfully the posts remain that show where I pointed out what he has said (that policies in the US contributed to the motive for the attack), how I used an analogy (one that even you could understand, as demonstrated in the next post) to draw you a picture that a kindergartner could understand, and how you responded.
I'll let the interwebs decide. You're just babbling now in desperation trying to distract from your nonsense position based on what you want rather than listening to reality.
You thrust your fists against the posts and still insist you see the ghosts.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
Very interesting, what I found.
The smear memo has gone out
The neocons are in a Code Red State of Alert over the fact that Ron Paul is in a dead heat with Newt "I Love Freddie Mac" (and apparently Big Macs too) Gingrich in Iowa. So they are doing what comes naturally to every neocon, namely lying about Ron's political positions. The memo has apparently gone out to start lying about what Ron has said about 9/11. Last night Blackjack Bill Bennett told Hannity that Ron was guilty of "conspiracy theories" and was therefore not a legitmate candidate. An emailer informs me that the same lie was told on NationalNeoconReview Online. The memo has gone out. Of course, Ron has never endorsed any of the conspiracy theories, and has blamed the inherent incompetence of government bureaucracy, in addition to the fact that the FAA prohibited pilots from arming themselves in the cockpit.
Fred P. writes to predict: "If Ron wins in Iowa Bill Bennett will need emergency surgery to extract his foot from his mouth and his head from his ass."
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Again...you pointed out what he actually says?
Strange, but I saw no quotation marks around what you claimed were Paul's remarks.
Everyone here learned long ago that you play fast and loose with the rules of grammar so you can engage in ridiculous hair-splitting like you are doing now.
You "pointed out" nothing...you simply put your favorable spin on what Paul had said so you could split that hair even finer.
The fact remains I heard Paul on the radio refuse to state unequivocally that our Government was not complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
There is an orchestrated effort to stop Ron Paul by the establishment Republicans over the last few days. Talking points have been distributed. I have heard several seemingly unconnected people say, "Any of the Republican canidates has a chance of beating President Obama, except Ron Paul."
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
That's not a fact. That's an anecdote.
zappasguitar
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To you it's an anecdote...to me it's fact.
I actually like Paul, not enough to vote for him, but at least he's not a good little Rightie automaton like most of the candidates with an R after their name.
Right now, there's not much evidence to back up my claim. If Paul comes out strong in Iowa and begins to develop some momentum, it's possible some sound bytes of his conversation with Michael Medved may surface...
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I wish i'd been around to see how many of you were blaming bush and cheney after 9/11, saying they had something to do with the towers coming down.
Cancel 2016.11
Darla
I knew Zappa back then, and he never said anything like that. That's not him.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
that's something else I find very hypocritical of most righties and lefties. The ability to blame the government for some complicity or outright causing some calamity or tragedy, yet steadfastly refusing to believe they could possibly be involved in some other catastrophe. If you can buy that the feds imprisoned 100s of thousands of japanese americans for national security, that they can justify burning to death 80+ american men, women, and children and find some way to blame it on the fault of one person inside the building, to casually accept them entrapping an individual into a federal criminal jurisdiction trial because a phone call went across state lines, then i can see where you might consider the government your own personal babysitter. But if you can accept that they intentionally violate their own laws they make for us and that it's wrong, you should be able to readily accept that they are quite capable of any atrocity against whatsoever.
Cancel 2016.11
Darla
Okay so you are a truther maybe, but Zap isn't. That's all I was saying, and that I can vouch for that, because surprisingly, I actually have "known" him that long. So he's not a "hypocrite" for getting on Paul about this.