Here's a handy chart on employment following every recession since 1948:
And here is a chart showing the average length of unemployment:
The "normal" rules should not apply under present circumstances.
Our troubles are over.....
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Here's a handy chart on employment following every recession since 1948:
And here is a chart showing the average length of unemployment:
The "normal" rules should not apply under present circumstances.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Again, when does temporary become permanent?
Who cares? Is anyone proposing permanent unemployment payments?
This isn't a situation where unemployed people, with just a bit hard had work and gritty determination, can all find gainful employment rather quickly and rather easily. There just aren't enough jobs.
Bfgrn
New member
When there are enough jobs to reduce unemployment to 5%. Right now, there is ONE job for every FIVE citizens who are unemployed. There should be no talk of debt reduction, balanced budgets or austerity until there are enough jobs. Debt is measured against GDP, we need to work on increasing GDP.
christiefan915
Catalyst
The number of jobs created seems to change with whoever is working the figures.
Fox Anchor Pushes Claim That Keystone XL Pipeline Would Create 20,000 Jobs
Fox Anchor Martha MacCallum: 20,000 Jobs Is "The Low-End Estimate." On America's Newsroom, host Martha MacCallum said:
MACCALLUM: The keystone pipeline would be privately-funded. That means no taxpayer cash. It would carry oil from Canada all the way down to the Gulf Coast giving us a massive new resource of energy in this country. 20,000 jobs would be created, that's the low-end estimate. Now Republicans are asking why the president would not support that plan and the jobs that it promises?
But That Figure Is Wildly Inflated
TransCanada Said In 2010 That Keystone XL Pipeline "Is Expected To Create Over ... 13,000 New Jobs For American Workers." In a 2010 press release by TransCanada, the company funding the Keystone XL pipeline, touted their connection with various unions and claimed they would "create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers."
State Department: "The Construction Work Force Would Consist Of Approximately 5,000 To 6,000 Workers." The U.S. Department of State's Final Environmental Impact Statement for the pipeline stated that a "construction work force would consist of approximately 5,000 to 6,000 workers." The contractor who conducted the study had financial ties to TransCanada; the inspector general has launched an investigation into the matter.
Cornell University Global Labor Institute: Based On TransCanada's Numbers, "The Project Will Create No More Than 2,500-4,600 Temporary Direct Construction Jobs." From Cornell University Global Labor Institute's report:
A calculation of the direct jobs that might be created by KXL can begin with an examination of the jobs on-site to build and inspect the pipeline. The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years, according to TransCanada's own data supplied to the State Department. [Cornell University Global Labor Institute, September 2011]
christiefan915
Catalyst
When there's no expiration date at all.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
There are jobs available, not enough for all. Good or great jobs? For those with the skills. However, there are jobs for many. There was a time before I got my teaching job where I was subbing, (yeah, did this before), where I also worked at Jewel, (grocery), at least 32 hours a week for insurance, and third job as a licensed insurance producer part-time. Averaged 80 plus hours a week for a year and a half, but I was in my late 30's then. I can't do that now, but many can. I was able to keep up my mortgage, insurances, car payment, and provide for 3 kids in middle school and grammar school.
The government isn't going to create or save jobs, the illusion of caring for all those not making ends meet will burst sooner than later. If people are going to make it, they need to be brave enough to start something for themselves or work damn long hours.
The government isn't going to create or save jobs, the illusion of caring for all those not making ends meet will burst sooner than later. If people are going to make it, they need to be brave enough to start something for themselves or work damn long hours.
And then you woke up, it was a nice dream, but...
There aren't enough jobs. It isn't because people aren't willing to work hard. It's because there isn't enough work to be done. It's an aggregate demand problem.
That's why extending unemployment benefits is a good idea. It increases demand by giving people money to people who have none. It also has the added benefit of alleviating unnecessary human suffering.
There are 4 unemployed people for each job opening. If every unemployed person were hired for each of those job openings tomorrow, we'd still have 10 million unemployed people.
If that's considered "plenty of work," I'd hate to see a jobs problem.
There are more than 10 million illegal imagrants. To pretend the haven't been taking a larger share of low skilled jobs is ignorant. I know as a fence repair guy you miss the Bloomberg and msnbc constant talk of lack of skilled workers. Party hacks are usually low iq dolts like we see here.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
The left makes fun of people whom they view as inferior. The left pretends to stand up for the "common man" and so-called "working class", but what they actually desire is to create a society of entitlement, with the few "educated" elitists ruling over the ignorant masses. Obama couldn't be happier that more people are on food stamps than ever before.
Five years ago, I was working at an office supply store as a computer technician making $10/hour and received nothing but scorn and contempt from the left-wingers, some of whom are active on this site. They're hypocrites. The funny part is that I now have a job that pays more than many of them made at the time, so I can laugh my way to the bank. Fuck 'em.
I'm not pretending anything. You're pretending its it (a) plausible to deport all illegal immigrants tomorrow (2) practical to deport all illegal immigrants tomorrow and (3) that all of that happened yesterday such that unemployed people should be able to get jobs easily. It's nonsense.
The reality is that there are four unemployed people for each job available. There aren't enough jobs.
I don't know who the fence repair guy is but I'm pretty sure it isn't me.
That's not what she said, and I believe that you know it. She acted in a positive direction to affect her own life rather than seeking to change things so she could receive government "blessings".
Basically, what I see her saying is that "God helps those who help themselves".
What wrong with being a fence repair guy. Your arrogance is a real turn off. You aren't better than the fence repair guy, it. Is sad that you think that way.
Wasn't it crossing an aquifer that supplied water to four states? a leak would be disastrous.
Well, tomorrow (or the very near term) is when unemployment benefits run out for lots of people.
As I understand it, the issue under discussion is whether to extend unemployment benefits for beyond 99 weeks. Some folks have suggested that the extension is unnecessary and creates a dependence on the government that would should not create. I countered that there are 4 unemployed people for each job opening and that, under the circumstances, the extension is critical. That's a near term problem. Your long term "solutions" aren't exactly relevant.
It would be far more likely to get others to agree with you that your short-term solution was palatable if they were at all looking at some of the long-term solutions offered. People aren't against a short-term solution if there is an end in sight.
Basically you would dismiss any discussion of a long-term solution, which winds up making what is supposed to be a short-term patch onto the long-term solution as you want it to be the only thing discussed.
Each time an offer is made to extend this but also provide something that can at least partially help long term we get threats to veto and jerks who tell us that 'the right' clearly "doesn't care".
It's nonsense political stances hoping to insert the class warfare and separation of our society into a place where solutions and extensions have been offered. IMO it shows that 'the left' doesn't want any compromise because they believe that that they can use this to drive a further wedge into an issue that actually effects lives.