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PostmodernProphet said:
did you read it?.......there has been no approval of the pipeline.....there has been an agreement that Obama will make a decision on it within 60 days.....that is not an approval.....
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Did you read what you claimed? You said there was nothing in the news about approval of the pipeline...another PiMPly lie.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry....nothing in the news about approval of the pipeline....all I can find is a promise from Obama that he will make a decision within 60 days on whether he will approve.....so I can only conclude you have made it up so you could pretend you won the argument.......next time make smarter choices on what you want to argue so you don't have to lie to win........
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If you want to compare the language on the Keystone Pipeline from the Senate Bill to the language in the original House bill and can show me how they are substantively different, feel free. The Senate pass the Pipeline language that was included in the original House bill. Below are the relevant provisions.


House Bill:

SEC. 1002. PERMIT FOR KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE.

(a) In General- Except as provided in subsection (b), not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337 (3 U.S.C. 301 note; relating to issuance of permits with respect to certain energy-related facilities and land transportation crossings on the international boundaries of the United States) for the Keystone XL pipeline project application filed on September 19, 2008 (including amendments).
(b) Exception-
(1) IN GENERAL- The President shall not be required to grant the permit under subsection (a) if the President determines that the Keystone XL pipeline would not serve the national interest.
(2) REPORT- If the President determines that the Keystone XL pipeline is not in the national interest under paragraph (1), the President shall, not later than 15 days after the date of the determination, submit to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate, the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives, the majority leader of the Senate, the minority leader of the Senate, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the minority leader of the House of Representatives a report that provides a justification for determination, including consideration of economic, employment, energy security, foreign policy, trade, and environmental factors.
(3) EFFECT OF NO FINDING OR ACTION- If a determination is not made under paragraph (1) and no action is taken by the President under subsection (a) not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsections (c) and (d) shall be in effect by operation of law.
(c) Requirements- The permit granted under subsection (a) shall require the following:
(1) The permittee shall comply with all applicable Federal and State laws (including regulations) and all applicable industrial codes regarding the construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the United States facilities.
(2) The permittee shall obtain all requisite permits from Canadian authorities and relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies.
(3) The permittee shall take all appropriate measures to prevent or mitigate any adverse environmental impact or disruption of historic properties in connection with the construction, operation, and maintenance of the United States facilities.
(4) For the purpose of the permit issued under subsection (a) (regardless of any modifications under subsection (d))--
(A) the final environmental impact statement issued by the Secretary of State on August 26, 2011, satisfies all requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.) and section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act (16 U.S.C. 470f);
(B) any modification required by the Secretary of State to the Plan described in paragraph (5)(A) shall not require supplementation of the final environmental impact statement described in that paragraph; and
(C) no further Federal environmental review shall be required.
(5) The construction, operation, and maintenance of the facilities shall be in all material respects similar to that described in the application described in subsection (a) and in accordance with--
(A) the construction, mitigation, and reclamation measures agreed to by the permittee in the Construction Mitigation and Reclamation Plan found in appendix B of the final environmental impact statement issued by the Secretary of State on August 26, 2011, subject to the modification described in subsection (d);
(B) the special conditions agreed to between the permittee and the Administrator of the Pipeline Hazardous Materials Safety Administration of the Department of Transportation found in appendix U of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A);
(C) if the modified route submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) crosses the Sand Hills region, the measures agreed to by the permittee for the Sand Hills region found in appendix H of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A); and
(D) the stipulations identified in appendix S of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A).
(6) Other requirements that are standard industry practice or commonly included in Federal permits that are similar to a permit issued under subsection (a).
(d) Modification- The permit issued under subsection (a) shall require--
(1) the reconsideration of routing of the Keystone XL pipeline within the State of Nebraska;
(2) a review period during which routing within the State of Nebraska may be reconsidered and the route of the Keystone XL pipeline through the State altered with any accompanying modification to the Plan described in subsection (c)(5)(A); and
(3) the President--
(A) to coordinate review with the State of Nebraska and provide any necessary data and reasonable technical assistance material to the review process required under this subsection; and
(B) to approve the route within the State of Nebraska that has been submitted to the Secretary of State by the Governor of Nebraska.
(e) Effect of No Approval- If the President does not approve the route within the State of Nebraska submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) not later than 10 days after the date of submission, the route submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) shall be considered approved, pursuant to the terms of the permit described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsection (c) and this subsection, by operation of law.
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Senate Bill:

SEC. 501. PERMIT FOR KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE.

(a) In General.--Except as provided in subsection (b), not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337 (3 U.S.C. 301 note; relating to issuance of permits with respect to certain energy-related facilities and land transportation crossings on the international boundaries of the United States) for the Keystone XL pipeline project application filed on September 19, 2008 (including amendments).

(b) Exception.--

(1) IN GENERAL.--The President shall not be required to grant the permit under subsection (a) if the President determines that the Keystone XL pipeline would not serve the national interest.

(2) REPORT.--If the President determines that the Keystone XL pipeline is not in the national interest under paragraph (1), the President shall, not later than 15 days after the date of the determination, submit to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate, the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives, the majority leader of the Senate, the minority leader of the Senate, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the minority leader of the House of Representatives a report that provides a justification for determination, including consideration of economic, employment, energy security, foreign policy, trade, and environmental factors.

(3) EFFECT OF NO FINDING OR ACTION.--If a determination is not made under paragraph (1) and no action is taken by the President under subsection (a) not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsections (c) and (d) shall be in effect by operation of law.

(c) Requirements.--The permit granted under subsection (a) shall require the following:

(1) The permittee shall comply with all applicable Federal and State laws (including regulations) and all applicable industrial codes regarding the construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the United States facilities.

(2) The permittee shall obtain all requisite permits from Canadian authorities and relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies.

(3) The permittee shall take all appropriate measures to prevent or mitigate any adverse environmental impact or disruption of historic properties in connection with the construction, operation, and maintenance of the United States facilities.

(4) For the purpose of the permit issued under subsection (a) (regardless of any modifications under subsection (d))--

(A) the final environmental impact statement issued by the Secretary of State on August 26, 2011, satisfies all requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.) and section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act (16 U.S.C. 470f);

(B) any modification required by the Secretary of State to the Plan described in paragraph (5)(A) shall not require supplementation of the final environmental impact statement described in that paragraph; and

(C) no further Federal environmental review shall be required.

(5) The construction, operation, and maintenance of the facilities shall be in all material respects similar to that described in the application described in subsection (a) and in accordance with--

(A) the construction, mitigation, and reclamation measures agreed to by the permittee in the Construction Mitigation and Reclamation Plan found in appendix B of the final environmental impact statement issued by the Secretary of State on August 26, 2011, subject to the modification described in subsection (d);

(B) the special conditions agreed to between the permittee and the Administrator of the Pipeline Hazardous Materials Safety Administration of the Department of Transportation found in appendix U of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A);

(C) if the modified route submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) crosses the Sand Hills region, the measures agreed to by the permittee for the Sand Hills region found in appendix H of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A); and

(D) the stipulations identified in appendix S of the final environmental impact statement described in subparagraph (A).

(6) Other requirements that are standard industry practice or commonly included in Federal permits that are similar to a permit issued under subsection (a).

(d) Modification.--The permit issued under subsection (a) shall require--

(1) the reconsideration of routing of the Keystone XL pipeline within the State of Nebraska;

(2) a review period during which routing within the State of Nebraska may be reconsidered and the route of the Keystone XL pipeline through the State altered with any accompanying modification to the Plan described in subsection (c)(5)(A); and

(3) the President--

(A) to coordinate review with the State of Nebraska and provide any necessary data and reasonable technical assistance material to the review process required under this subsection; and

(B) to approve the route within the State of Nebraska that has been submitted to the Secretary of State by the Governor of Nebraska.

(e) Effect of No Approval.--If the President does not approve the route within the State of Nebraska submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) not later than 10 days after the date of submission, the route submitted by the Governor of Nebraska under subsection (d)(3)(B) shall be considered approved, pursuant to the terms of the permit described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsection (c) and this subsection, by operation of law.

(f) Private Property Savings Clause.--Nothing in this section alters the Federal, State, or local processes or conditions in effect on the date of enactment of this Act that are necessary to secure access from private property owners to construct the Keystone XL pipeline.
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Dungheap said:
If you want to compare the language on the Keystone Pipeline from the Senate Bill to the language in the original House bill and can show me how they are substantively different, feel free. The Senate pass the Pipeline language that was included in the original House bill. Below are the relevant provisions.


House Bill:




Senate Bill:
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lol, if that's the actual bill that passed, then it boggles the mind that anyone thinks this is a win for the Democrats.....they have managed to reject a one year extension in favor of a two month extension and gave the Republicans what they were asking for.......how do you explain that.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
uh.....there IS nothing on the news about approval of the pipeline.......
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Jesus H. Fuck, you're stupid. There is plenty about approval of the pipeline. Apparently you think a news story has to say "the pipleine is approved" to be about pipeline approval. God damn, you're an idiot.
 
\\(())// said:
You're not paying attention, PiMPle. Obama just signed the bill. You lost.


http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...ll-tax-leaves-hawaii-20111223,0,4641375.story
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Doesn't matter. Obama got $160 for each person making $50,000... the republicans offered a bill that gave them around $1,000 while also creating jobs from other than a government source at a cost of $0 tax money... (the absolute least that Obama could do)... Obama rejected it because they produced a solution to the very problem that this cut was supposed to treat as a symptom.

I'll take that deal any day over Obama's $160.

In two months we'll be at it again, hopefully Boehner will learn how to express an idea by then.
 
Damocles said:
Doesn't matter. Obama got $160 for each person making $50,000... the republicans offered a bill that gave them around $1,000 while also creating jobs from other than a government source at a cost of $0 tax money... (the absolute least that Obama could do)... Obama rejected it because they produced a solution to the very problem that this cut was supposed to treat as a symptom. I'll take that deal any day over Obama's $160. In two months we'll be at it again, hopefully Boehner will learn how to express an idea by then.
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You'll 'take it" because the GOP-dominated House caved...I look forward to the next showdown.
 
\\(())// said:
Jesus H. Fuck, you're stupid. There is plenty about approval of the pipeline. Apparently you think a news story has to say "the pipleine is approved" to be about pipeline approval. God damn, you're an idiot.
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well, I would certainly say that if the pipeline had actually been approved, the news reports wouldn't be saying that Obama has sixty days in which to decide if he will approve the pipeline......which is what I've read everywhere except here.....
 
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