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Alias said:
Like I said, the Crusades were defensive to save lives against the aggressor, Islam.

Show us the Christian scriptures that instruct believers to support the inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremacist groups, etc, etc.
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The crusades were NOT a defense. At the time that pope Urban II called them Christians and Jews were allowed to freeley pilgrimage to to Jerusalem and the "holy land" as long as they obeyed the laws of the preexisting islamic nations in whose land they were travelling. The Urban decided , "F*** that, that land should be ours, all christian nations INVADE" and they did and did slaughter with abandon, read some acounts of the sack of Jerusalem some time, the christians killed every muslim inside that they could get their hands on.


I'll buy the it was a long time ago defense(if with a bit of a sniff) but "it was defensive against an agressor? BULL SHIT
 
Onceler said:
Jesus doesn't talk about violence. The OT does.

Are you going to try to claim that the OT isn't part of Christianity?
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Ephesians 2

15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8

13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10

4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Romans 7

6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3

13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Galatians 3

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
 
It's always interesting to me how the OT is obsolete when hating Muslims, but is still in full force when hating homosexuals...
 
Onceler said:
It's always interesting to me how the OT is obsolete when hating Muslims, but is still in full force when hating homosexuals...
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Im an atheist and I presume by "hating homosexuals" you really mean witholding the tax breaks and governmental entitlements of heterosexual marriage. Those are witheld because only heterosexual couples procreate, having nothing to do with religion. Its biology.
 
Onceler said:
There is plenty of violence & advocacy of violence in Christian scriptures, as you well know. Supporters of the groups mentioned above use those phrases & warp them for their own purposes. Just as extremists do under Islam.
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Do you think for one minute that if Christians felt threatened they wouldn't become violent? Just look at Alias and DY and their threats of violence. They would also use scripture to justify their violence, like the good Christians who preach violence against homosexuality.
 
Rana said:
Do you think for one minute that if Christians felt threatened they wouldn't become violent? Just look at Alias and DY and their threats of violence. They would also use scripture to justify their violence, like the good Christians who preach violence against homosexuality.
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Scripture that says Jesus came with a sword, doesnt justify violence.
 
Alias said:
Nothing in there about Jesus condoning violence in his name or urging his followers to do so. Time for your nap.
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Another instance of violence being acceptable to Christians...John 15:6

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Sure sounds to me like a call to herd all the unbelievers together and set them on fire...

Of course I'm sure you'll have an interpretation handy that claims it's not urging anyone to violence against non-Christians.
 
dixon76710 said:
NOTHING from written christian doctrine justifies such activism.
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That's your OPINION.

Just as there are crazies who are Muslim and twist the Koran to justify their own twisted belief system...so too are there crazies who are CHRISTIANS who twist the Bible to justify their own twisted belief system.
 
Alias said:
Here comes the old and tired argument of bombing abortion clinics. That is stupid and here is the reason............

Tell us how many people have been killed by bombing abortion clinics and how many people were killed by Islamic terrorism.
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Okay...so since fewer Abortion Clinic Doctors have been murdered...you excuse the Christian Extremists who killed them...thanks for clarifying.

Funny...even ONE instance of voter fraud is too many for you people, but apparently Abortion Clinic Doctor murders are acceptable because Murders by Islamic Extremists tips the scales back to the Muslims in the long run
 
Onceler said:
So, you agree that there are violent extremists on both sides who use their religion as a shield, but it's just a matter of scale?

If that's the case, just look at Christianity's history behind more recent violence. That should even things up a bit.
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EXACTLY...since the scale tips towards the Muslim Extremists right now...that justifies the violence done by Christians in Failias' eyes.
 
Disillusioned said:
The crusades were NOT a defense. At the time that pope Urban II called them Christians and Jews were allowed to freeley pilgrimage to to Jerusalem and the "holy land" as long as they obeyed the laws of the preexisting islamic nations in whose land they were travelling. The Urban decided , "F*** that, that land should be ours, all christian nations INVADE" and they did and did slaughter with abandon, read some acounts of the sack of Jerusalem some time, the christians killed every muslim inside that they could get their hands on.


I'll buy the it was a long time ago defense(if with a bit of a sniff) but "it was defensive against an agressor? BULL SHIT
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You conveniently omit a crucial fact. The Muslims invaded the Christian lands and subjugated the Christians. I suppose you think the Christians should have just paid the fucking muslims. It's always the Jews and Christians fault when they fight back.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Another instance of violence being acceptable to Christians...John 15:6

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Sure sounds to me like a call to herd all the unbelievers together and set them on fire...

Of course I'm sure you'll have an interpretation handy that claims it's not urging anyone to violence against non-Christians.
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Pretty tortured interpretation

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
 
Onceler said:
It's always interesting to me how the OT is obsolete when hating Muslims, but is still in full force when hating homosexuals...
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That's because you have no idea what you're talking about. The NT does condemn homosexuality in Romans 1 and I Corinthians 6:9-10.
 
Rana said:
Do you think for one minute that if Christians felt threatened they wouldn't become violent? Just look at Alias and DY and their threats of violence. They would also use scripture to justify their violence, like the good Christians who preach violence against homosexuality.
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Look at your lying damn self. You're the one who threatened to pepper spray me if you ever saw me. No one here is preaching violence to homosexuals. Cut the drama.
 
Alias said:
Like I said, the Crusades were defensive to save lives against the aggressor, Islam.

Show us the Christian scriptures that instruct believers to support the inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremacist groups, etc, etc.
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As you've been told numerous times before, it's one's own interpretation that allows bastardizations of scriptures to take place.

Islamic extremists twist the Koran to justify their needs.

Christian extremists do exactly the same...you just won't admit it because to do so would reveal your own religious bigotry.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Okay...so since fewer Abortion Clinic Doctors have been murdered...you excuse the Christian Extremists who killed them...thanks for clarifying.

Funny...even ONE instance of voter fraud is too many for you people, but apparently Abortion Clinic Doctor murders are acceptable because Murders by Islamic Extremists tips the scales back to the Muslims in the long run
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I never excused anyone from any crime. If you can't make your argument, then please don't put words in my mouth. Just admit you have no argument. When a criminal commits a crime, their religion or motivation is of no concern. You and your pals on the other hand are the ones who look for excuses for Islam by pointing to other criminal behavior. That's not a good argument in my opinion. What do you think?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
As you've been told numerous times before, it's one's own interpretation that allows bastardizations of scriptures to take place.

Islamic extremists twist the Koran to justify their needs.

Christian extremists do exactly the same...you just won't admit it because to do so would reveal your own religious bigotry.
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So you're denying the fact that muslims invaded the Christian lands and subjugated the Christians by forcing them to pay a tax to live?

Muslims do not have to twist the words in their Koran to justify violence. Muhammed instructed his followers to use violence. Jesus never did.

Give us an example of what you're speaking about in Christians twisting scripture to condone violence. You can't and you know it.
 
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