Why was he allowed to own guns?

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why don't you know the difference between state and federal?

Why can't you read?

Here's what I cited earlier:


The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse in all 50 states. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesti...fender_Gun_Ban


Then there's the state law:


(1) Any court when entering an order authorized under RCW 9A.46.080, 10.14.080, 10.99.040, 10.99.045, 26.09.050, 26.09.060, 26.10.040, 26.10.115, 26.26.130, 26.50.060, 26.50.070, or 26.26.590 shall, upon a showing by clear and convincing evidence, that a party has: Used, displayed, or threatened to use a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a felony, or previously committed any offense that makes him or her ineligible to possess a firearm under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040:

(a) Require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(b) Require the party to surrender any concealed pistol license issued under RCW 9.41.070;

(c) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(d) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a concealed pistol license.

(2) Any court when entering an order authorized under RCW 9A.46.080, 10.14.080, 10.99.040, 10.99.045, 26.09.050, 26.09.060, 26.10.040, 26.10.115, 26.26.130, 26.50.060, 26.50.070, or 26.26.590 may, upon a showing by a preponderance of the evidence but not by clear and convincing evidence, that a party has: Used, displayed, or threatened to use a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a felony, or previously committed any offense that makes him or her ineligible to possess a pistol under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040:

(a) Require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(b) Require the party to surrender a concealed pistol license issued under RCW 9.41.070;

(c) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(d) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a concealed pistol license.

(3) The court may order temporary surrender of a firearm or other dangerous weapon without notice to the other party if it finds, on the basis of the moving affidavit or other evidence, that irreparable injury could result if an order is not issued until the time for response has elapsed.

(4) In addition to the provisions of subsections (1), (2), and (3) of this section, the court may enter an order requiring a party to comply with the provisions in subsection (1) of this section if it finds that the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by any party presents a serious and imminent threat to public health or safety, or to the health or safety of any individual.

(5) The requirements of subsections (1), (2), and (4) of this section may be for a period of time less than the duration of the order.

(6) The court may require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon in his or her immediate possession or control or subject to his or her immediate possession or control to the sheriff of the county having jurisdiction of the proceeding, the chief of police of the municipality having jurisdiction, or to the restrained or enjoined party's counsel or to any person designated by the court.
[2002 c 302 § 704; 1996 c 295 § 14; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 430.]

The federal law is on top...the state law is on the bottom...no need to thank me.
 
Why can't you read?

Here's what I cited earlier:


The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse in all 50 states. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesti...fender_Gun_Ban


Then there's the state law:


(1) Any court when entering an order authorized under RCW 9A.46.080, 10.14.080, 10.99.040, 10.99.045, 26.09.050, 26.09.060, 26.10.040, 26.10.115, 26.26.130, 26.50.060, 26.50.070, or 26.26.590 shall, upon a showing by clear and convincing evidence, that a party has: Used, displayed, or threatened to use a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a felony, or previously committed any offense that makes him or her ineligible to possess a firearm under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040:

(a) Require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(b) Require the party to surrender any concealed pistol license issued under RCW 9.41.070;

(c) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(d) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a concealed pistol license.

(2) Any court when entering an order authorized under RCW 9A.46.080, 10.14.080, 10.99.040, 10.99.045, 26.09.050, 26.09.060, 26.10.040, 26.10.115, 26.26.130, 26.50.060, 26.50.070, or 26.26.590 may, upon a showing by a preponderance of the evidence but not by clear and convincing evidence, that a party has: Used, displayed, or threatened to use a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a felony, or previously committed any offense that makes him or her ineligible to possess a pistol under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040:

(a) Require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(b) Require the party to surrender a concealed pistol license issued under RCW 9.41.070;

(c) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon;

(d) Prohibit the party from obtaining or possessing a concealed pistol license.

(3) The court may order temporary surrender of a firearm or other dangerous weapon without notice to the other party if it finds, on the basis of the moving affidavit or other evidence, that irreparable injury could result if an order is not issued until the time for response has elapsed.

(4) In addition to the provisions of subsections (1), (2), and (3) of this section, the court may enter an order requiring a party to comply with the provisions in subsection (1) of this section if it finds that the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by any party presents a serious and imminent threat to public health or safety, or to the health or safety of any individual.

(5) The requirements of subsections (1), (2), and (4) of this section may be for a period of time less than the duration of the order.

(6) The court may require the party to surrender any firearm or other dangerous weapon in his or her immediate possession or control or subject to his or her immediate possession or control to the sheriff of the county having jurisdiction of the proceeding, the chief of police of the municipality having jurisdiction, or to the restrained or enjoined party's counsel or to any person designated by the court.
[2002 c 302 § 704; 1996 c 295 § 14; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 430.]

The federal law is on top...the state law is on the bottom...no need to thank me.

You're assuming a law was broken. Rabbit trail alert.
 
\\\legion/// just pwned himself thoroughly

i now have more proof he is just a cut and paste troll. previously he has slammed someone for not seeing or knowing the difference between "may" and "shall".....

his citation of WA law is "may" unless he has used the guns or dangerous weapons. therefore, without knowing more, the answer is quite simple:

1. may is permissive, not mandatory

2. he didn't get the restraining order because he used guns or a dangerous weapon.

you're welcome for the education

You must be so humiliated that your tears blinded you to my citation of Washington state statutes. Not my problem.

It's curious how such an ardent defender of the constitution is apparently ignorant of what many consider to be a rampant infringement of due process.

Maybe you should spend more time on pro-gun forums. Here's one:

Having a restraining order on you is a Federal bar to possessing firearms. Will we find out that he was a prohibited possessor for other reasons as well?

http://ncguns.blogspot.com/2012/01/was-reportedly-now-dead-mt-rainier.html

what you cited does not support your claim.

more self pwnage.

what an embarrassing thread for legion troll....no wonder he had to bump his self congratulatory thread about conservatives being pwned, he can't actually do so in a debate, so has to make believe.
 
You're assuming a law was broken. Rabbit trail alert.

I'm not assuming. That's your schtick. The news accounts say his wife applied for two orders of protection. The law says he should have been disarmed.
 
\\\legion/// just pwned himself thoroughly

i now have more proof he is just a cut and paste troll. previously he has slammed someone for not seeing or knowing the difference between "may" and "shall".....

his citation of WA law is "may" unless he has used the guns or dangerous weapons. therefore, without knowing more, the answer is quite simple:

1. may is permissive, not mandatory

2. he didn't get the restraining order because he used guns or a dangerous weapon.

you're welcome for the education

watch....legon will ignore the law and the facts in order to continue posting lies
 
Why can't you read?


do you need a timeline of the stupid shit you posted? like 'research washington law', or does that not ring a bell anymore?

and just so you're aware, the lautenberg amendment is an 'ex post facto' law, hence is unconstitutional on its face despite the cowardice of the supreme court to overturn it.

The federal law is on top...the state law is on the bottom...no need to thank me.

don't worry, no reason to thank you,.
 
Let's just examine some state laws, now that we all know what the federal law is.

Here's California:

California state law says that if you have a DVRO against the abuser, he cannot have a gun in his possession, or buy a new gun while the order is in effect.* This applies to ex parte (temporary) orders as well as orders issued after notice and a hearing...

http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=263&state_code=CA&open_id=703#content-9184

Shall I go through all 50 states?
 
\\\legion/// just pwned himself thoroughly

i now have more proof he is just a cut and paste troll. previously he has slammed someone for not seeing or knowing the difference between "may" and "shall".....

his citation of WA law is "may" unless he has used the guns or dangerous weapons. therefore, without knowing more, the answer is quite simple:

1. may is permissive, not mandatory

2. he didn't get the restraining order because he used guns or a dangerous weapon.

you're welcome for the education

I'm not assuming. That's your schtick. The news accounts say his wife applied for two orders of protection. The law says he should have been disarmed.

did he use a gun or dangerous weapon?

watch, legion will ignore this because it hurts his argument
 
do you need a timeline of the stupid shit you posted? like 'research washington law', or does that not ring a bell anymore?

I recall it perfectly, and I recall you failed to research the law. Does that ring a bell? Now you want to blame me for your ineptitude and ignorance, even though I posted it after you begged me to repeatedly. Is that fair?

and just so you're aware, the lautenberg amendment is an 'ex post facto' law, hence is unconstitutional on its face despite the cowardice of the supreme court to overturn it.

We agree. But didn't you deny the existence of the law earlier?

don't worry, no reason to thank you,.

Who's worried? I said no thanks were necessary.
 
I recall it perfectly, and I recall you failed to research the law. Does that ring a bell? Now you want to blame me for your ineptitude and ignorance, even though I posted it after you begged me to repeatedly. Is that fair?
you were asked to post it, you refused and said 'google it'. does that ring a bell?

We agree. But didn't you deny the existence of the law earlier?
I asked you to post the law, you refused. HUGE difference, but i'm sure you can't grasp that concept either since you confuse state and federal.
 
Let's just continue schooling the ignorant by providing some info on the Washington state law:

If you have a Protection Order against your abuser, or if the abuser has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence misdemeanor, Federal and Washington state law make it illegal for the abuser to buy, own or have a gun in his/her possession.

http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=306&state_code=WA

I can do this with all 50 states if you crave more humiliation...
 
Let's just continue schooling the ignorant by providing some info on the Washington state law:

If you have a Protection Order against your abuser, or if the abuser has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence misdemeanor, Federal and Washington state law make it illegal for the abuser to buy, own or have a gun in his/her possession.

http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=306&state_code=WA

I can do this with all 50 states if you crave more humiliation...

you're 'conveniently' forgetting the 'MAY' portion of that state law you refused to post, remember?
 
you were asked to post it, you refused and said 'google it'. does that ring a bell?
I asked you to post the law, you refused. HUGE difference, but i'm sure you can't grasp that concept either since you confuse state and federal.

I refused? I gave you good advice. You didn't take it, and pwned yourself. After much begging, I relented and posted the relevant federal and state laws.

Here's some more advice from Mr. Jackson:


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