Mrs. Santorum

Superfreak said:
No, but you are another example of a 'I don't care what ACTUALLY happened, I will believe what I want' lefty.
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No, it is in print and Santorum is a hypocrit. He and his wife used a late term abortion to save her life, yet he wants to stop others from doing the same thing. You are a RIGHTIE in denial.
 
christiefan915 said:
There was an example of this just a few months ago.

"Last November, a 27-year-old woman was admitted to St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix. She was 11 weeks pregnant with her fifth child, and she was gravely ill. According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure," and her doctors told her that if she continued with the pregnancy, her risk of mortality was "close to 100 percent." The patient, who was too ill to be moved to the operating room much less another hospital, agreed to an abortion. But there was a complication: She was at a Catholic hospital.


"They were in quite a dilemma," says Lisa Sowle Cahill, who teaches Catholic theology at Boston College. "There was no good way out of it. The official church position would mandate that the correct solution would be to let both the mother and the child die. I think in the practical situation that would be a very hard choice to make." But the hospital felt it could proceed because of an exception — called Directive 47 in the U.S. Catholic Church's ethical guidelines for health care providers — that allows, in some circumstance, procedures that could kill the fetus to save the mother. Sister Margaret McBride, who was an administrator at the hospital as well as its liaison to the diocese, gave her approval.


The woman survived. When Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted heard about the abortion, he declared that McBride was automatically excommunicated — the most serious penalty the church can levy."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072
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Hey PiMP are you reading this? I predict that he is rummaging around for a suitable anacronism...oops...anecdote to cover the situation.
 
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Superfreak said:
I can understand your position. But it is that disconnect with death that we must overcome. It is why the social service workers encourage parents in such situations to be open and honest with their other kids about what happened. They do recommend that the deceased child be visited by the parents and other children. Obviously it is the HOW we handle death that can make a difference. I attended every family funeral when I was young, mostly great aunts/uncles great grandparents etc... the first few were all traditional Irish Catholic funerals followed by wakes. People said their goodbyes in the church, then celebrated the life of the individual at the wake that followed. People that knew the deceased would share stories (usually with large quantities of alcohol being consumed... like any good Irish Catholic would do). I always liked the wakes as often I would learn things about the deceased that I had never known. I guess that is a large part of why I don't have a problem nor did I have nightmares about situations like that. As I have lost friends and family over the years, the Irish wake tradition is something I share, regardless of who passed.

I agree that people must act in such situation to whatever degree they are comfortable. If a parent isn't comfortable having the other kids see the dead child, the other kids will pick up on that apprehension and it could make matters worse.
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My family was the same, we kids went to wakes, weddings, whatevers.
 
christiefan915 said:
My family was the same, we kids went to wakes, weddings, whatevers.
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We went to the wakes, but not the funerals. It is a personal decision that parents must make, I as a parent did t think it wise to take my children to the funeral, we did attend the wakes, however.
 
Tom tried and failed. Can any liberal here link to the text of Santorum's proposal to outlaw abortion in spite of the physical health of the mother?
 
Rana said:
No, it is in print and Santorum is a hypocrit. He and his wife used a late term abortion to save her life, yet he wants to stop others from doing the same thing. You are a RIGHTIE in denial.
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Oh cut the crap and stop demonizing good, decent, honest people. You damn liars are the biggest hypocrites of all.
 
Rana said:
No, it is in print and Santorum is a hypocrit. He and his wife used a late term abortion to save her life, yet he wants to stop others from doing the same thing. You are a RIGHTIE in denial.
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You understand there is a HUGE difference between scrambling the kids brain and trying to save the life despite the overwhelming odds against the kids survival?

You are just chanting the lefty propaganda being tossed out there. Unless you have evidence they killed the kid. Because until now, the information that had been released said the kid lived for a couple of hours before it died. Which means they did not have an abortion. So again... thanks for proving that you too are a 'I don't care what actually happened, I am going to parrot left wingnut talking points' lefty.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Why are you so worried about defending him anyway? I suggest you keep your powder dry and use it for someone worthwhile rather than this cockroach.
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I would suggest you stick to talking about topics in which others are allowed to comment. Either that or leave the thread. If someone is going to post nonsense, I have a right to correct that nonsense.

I don't like Santorum, nor do I want to see him on the ticket. That doesn't mean I should just sit by and let the left use the worst thing that could happen to a parent to hammer the guy and his wife. It is beyond pathetic on the part of those who wish to make up complete bullshit like this.
 
Alias said:
Oh cut the crap and stop demonizing good, decent, honest people. You damn liars are the biggest hypocrites of all.
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More santorum hypocrisy.

"On May 17, 2004, Rick Santorum put out a press release saying, “I will continue to use my position in Senate leadership to push my colleagues to pass meaningful medical liability reform.” But just what has his “leadership” meant for people who are sick and injured by malpractice? Not much.

Back in 1994, when Santorum was in Congress and running for the Senate, he introduced H.R. 3918, which would have capped non-economic damages awarded by juries in medical malpractice cases at $250,000. On February 7, 2003, Senator Santorum said the $250,000 cap set in Congressman Jim Greenwood’s bill was “too low.” The next day, he told The Associated Press that he’d “been hesitant to sign on to any bill that has a cap.” Did something happen to change Santorum from one who authored a bill capping damages for a victim’s pain and suffering into one who couldn’t even sign onto such a bill?

Yes. Reality happened to Rick. In 1999, Santorum’s wife, Karen, filed her own medical malpractice lawsuit against a chiropractor in Virginia, seeking $500,000 in non-economic damages – twice the amount allowed in her husband’s own legislation five years earlier.

Again, it’s the hypocrisy, stupid!

Apparently, Rick Santorum thinks the rules ought to be different for him than for everyone else. Because even if he once fought to keep injured people from seeking more than $250,000 for pain and suffering, that certainly wasn’t enough for the Santorums themselves. His wife wanted $500,000 in damages against her Virginia-based chiropractor for alleged malpractice -- although her actual medical costs added up to $18,800.

http://santorumexposed.com/pages/issues/issues-malpractice.php
 
christiefan915 said:
More santorum hypocrisy.

"On May 17, 2004, Rick Santorum put out a press release saying, “I will continue to use my position in Senate leadership to push my colleagues to pass meaningful medical liability reform.” But just what has his “leadership” meant for people who are sick and injured by malpractice? Not much.

Back in 1994, when Santorum was in Congress and running for the Senate, he introduced H.R. 3918, which would have capped non-economic damages awarded by juries in medical malpractice cases at $250,000. On February 7, 2003, Senator Santorum said the $250,000 cap set in Congressman Jim Greenwood’s bill was “too low.” The next day, he told The Associated Press that he’d “been hesitant to sign on to any bill that has a cap.” Did something happen to change Santorum from one who authored a bill capping damages for a victim’s pain and suffering into one who couldn’t even sign onto such a bill?

Yes. Reality happened to Rick. In 1999, Santorum’s wife, Karen, filed her own medical malpractice lawsuit against a chiropractor in Virginia, seeking $500,000 in non-economic damages – twice the amount allowed in her husband’s own legislation five years earlier.

Again, it’s the hypocrisy, stupid!

Apparently, Rick Santorum thinks the rules ought to be different for him than for everyone else. Because even if he once fought to keep injured people from seeking more than $250,000 for pain and suffering, that certainly wasn’t enough for the Santorums themselves. His wife wanted $500,000 in damages against her Virginia-based chiropractor for alleged malpractice -- although her actual medical costs added up to $18,800.

http://santorumexposed.com/pages/issues/issues-malpractice.php
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So you mean that he proposed a change to the law, that law was not enacted and he and his wife played within the current legal system?

So in other words, he is like every Democrat who champions higher taxes on the rich and then turn around and do everything they can to minimize their own tax bills?

Is that what you are saying? That he is a complete hypocrite like Obama? If that is what you are saying, then I agree with you.
 
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