States Fight? TN Vows Payback on New Yorkers After 9/11 Memorial Gun Arrest

SmarterThanYou said:
of which, the NY state constitution right to bear arms I posted on page 1.

Bill of Rights, Article II Section 4

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.
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Here is what I found. STATE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO KEEP AND BEAR
ARMS New York- No provision.

Why is this?
 
Yurt said:
can you not answer your question. i said i don't know. wtf.
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ok, all of the documentation concerning the constitution, fed and anti fed papers, debates and commentaries reveal that the founders intended for the people to be in power, at all times and as well armed and proficient as the government in case those in government forgot who it is they work for.

does that answer work for you?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
ok, all of the documentation concerning the constitution, fed and anti fed papers, debates and commentaries reveal that the founders intended for the people to be in power, at all times and as well armed and proficient as the government in case those in government forgot who it is they work for.

does that answer work for you?
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can you cite that or is that just your opinion? i've researched the issue somewhat and never found that.
 
Yurt said:
can you cite that or is that just your opinion? i've researched the issue somewhat and never found that.
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are you being serious? through all of the 2nd Amendment threads that i've seen on here, you've never seen one cite from the founding era documents that have stated anything close to what i've said?
 
This is why I need to become a billionaire. I would pump millions into states like CA and NY every year, deliberately supporting restrictive measures that enhance the police state and limit freedom. My excuse would be that these people need to be taken care of, or lives will be lost. :cof1:
 
Yurt said:
oh, so you do believe the second amendment has limits....
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I believe that we have signed and passed several nuclear limitation treaties, which according to article 6 of the Constitution, bare the same weight as the constitution, so it's constitutional to limit nukes. I do not, however, believe it's an issue worth any form of concern. A: we no longer produce nuclear weapons. B: the government doesn't sell surplus weapons of any kind, so even if we did produce them, the government wouldn't surplus them out. C: that would leave private companies to produce them which leads to D: they wouldn't, even if it was legal. So it's a non-issue. People can buy RPG's, but you don't see any company willing to make them and/or sell them.

Beyond that ridiculous attempt at an argument, no the 2A does not have limits on what type of weaponry one can own. If the government can, I can.
 
I just have to laugh here. No matter what the thread, what the argument, STY will show up and make sure everyone knows that it's the government's fault for abridging the rights of the people, no matter what the issue, it's always the gubberment
 
Disillusioned said:
I just have to laugh here. No matter what the thread, what the argument, STY will show up and make sure everyone knows that it's the government's fault for abridging the rights of the people, no matter what the issue, it's always the gubberment
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So, if the GOVERNMENT isn't the one suppressing this citizens rights, who is?
 
General Sheridan said:
I believe that we have signed and passed several nuclear limitation treaties, which according to article 6 of the Constitution, bare the same weight as the constitution, so it's constitutional to limit nukes. I do not, however, believe it's an issue worth any form of concern. A: we no longer produce nuclear weapons. B: the government doesn't sell surplus weapons of any kind, so even if we did produce them, the government wouldn't surplus them out. C: that would leave private companies to produce them which leads to D: they wouldn't, even if it was legal. So it's a non-issue. People can buy RPG's, but you don't see any company willing to make them and/or sell them.

Beyond that ridiculous attempt at an argument, no the 2A does not have limits on what type of weaponry one can own. If the government can, I can.
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those treaties apply only to the government, not the citizens. i don't recall the treaties limiting the ability of citizens to bear nuclear arms. it is a fair argument and if you look, you made a good argument to counter it.
 
Yurt said:
those treaties apply only to the government, not the citizens. i don't recall the treaties limiting the ability of citizens to bear nuclear arms. it is a fair argument and if you look, you made a good argument to counter it.
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You recall incorrectly. In the NNPT of 68, we agreed not to manufacture nuclear arms, nor provide them. Since we cannt make them, how exactly are they do be owned?
 
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