America the Police state part II.

[SmarterthanYou]

Yes, I'm sure you do just like the millions and millions of other people who talk about their hard earned money. And then there's the wealthy folks earning 10X or 100X the average person. Boy, I can't even imagine how hard they must work.

and it's not my prerogative to spend my money the way I want to?

Again, what is there to be upset about? ObamaCare is pretty much wrapped up. Even that great thinker Newt said repealing ObamaCare would be one tough task, indeed. (Things like pre-existing conditions and young adults on their parent's plan.)

i've said before, I think the pre-existing conditions and young adults on their parents plan are good things. I'm against the mandate/penalty. that takes away my choice.

Choosing not to be another Waco or Ruby Ridge statistic is not out of fear or cowardice. I'm just not wacko enough to make the grade. Sorry.

it is fear and cowardice. you'd rather stay alive and under the boot of tyrants than fight for freedom, so you say. so how can it not be cowardice?

 

[apple0154]

we call that transparency. maybe you've heard of it.

So are you saying the government should be compelled to divulge it's military secrets?

did I say you'd be forced to buy a slave? we were discussing how you believe the majority can force the minority to abide by it's desires. not a far cry from the majority forcing you to buy a slave, or health insurance.

You're comparing the buying of health insurance to buying a slave? Watch out for the guys with white coats and a big net.

you have the choice of using electricity or wood. If you don't use electricity, are you stuck with paying the electric bill? do you have to buy stamps and envelopes if you don't use the post office?

those are freedoms of choice. forcing me to buy healthcare is not a choice, it's a mandate. it's also supposed to be my choice to help others who can't help themselves, not your choice to make me help.

Does one have to pay taxes to contribute to the military if they don't believe in war?

As for helping people why wouldn't you want to help? One is only obliged to help (pay taxes) IF they have earned the money. Imagine the electric company saying you don't have to pay your bill if you didn't earn any money.

 

[apple0154]

and it's not my prerogative to spend my money the way I want to?

Absolutely! It's also your obligation to contribute to society.

i've said before, I think the pre-existing conditions and young adults on their parents plan are good things. I'm against the mandate/penalty. that takes away my choice.

But that's part of the plan. Who pays for that?

it is fear and cowardice. you'd rather stay alive and under the boot of tyrants than fight for freedom, so you say. so how can it not be cowardice?

That old reading comprehension is raising it's head again, I see. I said having the government look after certain things is freedom. Just like the lawn company that cuts the lawn and the snow removal guy in the winter. It frees up my time.

Do you do everything yourself? Your income tax? Fix your car? Repair your home? Make your own clothes?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Absolutely! It's also your obligation to contribute to society.

no it's not. show me the part of the pact with society that tells me i have to do that.

But that's part of the plan. Who pays for that?

cut gov spending in some other area.

I said having the government look after certain things is freedom. Just like the lawn company that cuts the lawn and the snow removal guy in the winter. It frees up my time.

you're so very confused. how much do you pay your baby sitters?

 

[apple0154]

no it's not. show me the part of the pact with society that tells me i have to do that.

Laws. When laws are passed they become part of the pact.

cut gov spending in some other area.

Obama plans to do just that starting with the military. Bring the troops home and let them live normal lives with normal jobs.

you're so very confused. how much do you pay your baby sitters?

What has that got to do with anything? But now that you mention it, where I live the government has set up daycare. Parents pay $7.00/day. No more searching for babysitters/childcare. It's a service making life easier.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Laws. When laws are passed they become part of the pact.

and laws that violate the constitution can be ignored. most of what you propose directly violate the constitution.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

i gave you cites. what you're looking for is james madison saying the exact words of we the people should be better armed than our government at all times. I'm sorry you can't be satisfied by the other dozen cites I gave you that emphatically stated congress has no power to disarm the militia.

no, just looking for a cite to support your claim.

 

[apple0154]

and laws that violate the constitution can be ignored. most of what you propose directly violate the constitution.

No they don't.

(Excerpt) The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve. (End)t
Then we go on to see what the Preamble says. (Excerpt)We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (End)

Finally, (Excerpt) Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health.(End)
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

So, considering the intention of the Founding Fathers was to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the bessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity is it reasonable to conclude that if they'd known the government could prevent the unnecessary deaths of 45,000, every year, they would have discounted such an idea? What logical argument can be put forward to support the belief the Founding Fathers's intentions were to form a country offering citizens the best opportunity for a good life and then not care whether those citizens lived?